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#7398
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  

Anyway, I think at this point, it would be in the favor of the forum, if folks here would cease to mock those principled, moral people who happen to have high personal standards of what is right and wrong, who do buy Dwarven Forge Master Maze product.


It would also be nice if you could recognize alternative moral viewpoints to your own. It is possible to approve of all of "Den of Evil" and still be moral. And that is not endorsing relativism, either. It's simply a different worldview -- it says that DoE is not a morally dangerous item.

How can you expect people to understand a view you have not explained? What, precisely, is WRONG with DoE? Why are these people anxious? I can honestly see absolutely no possible harm that could even be anticipated. Would children start to approve of evil? But how or why? Would looking at the Death Star make you want to become a stormtrooper? Why not make you want to fight them? Does watching old WWII movies make you want to BE a Nazi, or make you want to FIGHT them? What about DoE is so harmful? It has never been stated, not once, in this whole long thread. How could anyone be expected to understand what has never been stated?

Dogmatic lack of humility is not necessarily moral, either. Why do you assume that people who disagree with you are failing to understand YOU? Does no part of you acknowledge even the POSSIBILITY that you have misunderstood them?

My father-in-law was a priest for 20 years before he started his family. He and I got along famously, and he never had a problem with any of my hobbies. If he did not think something like this was a morally dangerous thing, can you not even CONSIDER the possibility that there is more than one valid perspective here?

That's all I'm going to say about this, the forum isn't for ethical debates. That said, it's also not a place to accuse people of failing to understand simply because they disagree, or of being unethical, or in general to cast any sort of judgement on their choices at ALL. You can pass judgement on your own time. NOT HERE.

And yes, that applies to people who want to say that people HAVE to approve of DoE. That's why I never posted, in my first remark, that they should. They are free to not buy it.

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#7399
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
I've allowed the debate about morality and gaming to continue, but it is starting to stray into dangerous territory.

If the discussion can't proceed without board members making generalizations about, or casting aspersions on each other, either directly or by implication, this thread will be locked.

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#7400
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
Guys, can we agree to disagree here?
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#7401
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
COOOL looking! Great looking stuff. DF will get my $100.00 (atleast). I already have a use for the set.

Good job Jeff and Stefan... woot!
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#7402
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
Guys, can we agree to disagree here?

That's basically what I had been saying -- let's just accept that different people feel different ways.

I only spoke up to clarify -- believing that X or that Y has nothign to do with whether or not you care about morality. EVERYONE cares about morality, EVERYONE wants to be a good person. Wanting to be good doesn't prove anything, and it certainly doesn't explain why you'd believe X rather than Y. And it CERTAINLY doesn't prove that the people who disagree with you DON'T care about morality or AREN'T good people.

Just a brief remark I felt needed to be said. But it's beyond debate, it's certainly not the proper forum for it, and as I said, I won't be arguing about it any more. I just wanted to have it said, have it out there, for the record.

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#7403
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
Looks like 2 sets is the concensus. I don't think a run of 1000 is going to last long.
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#7404
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
Hi,

Will you take international pre-orders on this or will thi mechanism work via merchants?

Thanks in advance and this set looks spectacular.

Cheers
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#7405
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
2 sets here as well. There's going to be lots of bargaining with she-who-must-be-obeyed to open up the purse strings. ;-}~
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#7406
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
I'm interested in buying two sets of this release. I'm looking forward to using these for running Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil in my D&D campaign.
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#7407
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
Here are some of the uses I can already imagine putting this to:

Vampire lair for good gothic campaign

some kind of powerful necromancer lair behind the demon archway (finally something that really DESERVES to be on the other side of that door!)

Sith lair! Absolutely a great place to stage a lightsaber duel.... or, actually, a great strange kind of place for aliens, like a droid army factory....

Necropolis. Nuff saidolis.

;)

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#7408
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
L, I like the idea of a vampire lair. You could also do a cross-genre / timeline scenario where your fantasy (sword & sorcerer type characters) get zapped into a goth vampire nightclub in the late 2000's. Techno music booming a-la the bloody rave scene in the first Blade movie. heh heh...

Oh the things we could do . . .
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#7409
How is Dark World coming along? 9 Years, 4 Months ago  
All good ideas. Still, I think I will stick with one box for now.
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