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#7329
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
I Am Gratified By all of the Updates Comming Down the Pipe... (Even If They are Not to Say that we are Do For *Blank* Set for A While)... Thanks Folks!
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#7330
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
Oh no!!! I have to start saving money to afford the underground rivers next year (hopefully). :) Well I can probably do with less DDM when the time comes. Look forward to seeing the pictures at Origins.
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#7331
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
The guy over at Mystic Blocks is working on a "Murky River Set" for this year, but I'm a little ambivalent about that.

On the one hand, I will likely buy it because I can make a lot of use of rivers in my setups. On the other hand, it won't be up to Dwarven Forge quality standards (the guy does good work, but he's no Stefan.) It also bugs me a little that someone else is getting to make a set like that first.

Whatever the hold-up is, I hope DF works it out soon. I'd much rather spend my money with them.
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#7332
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I'm curious about the MB set, but the name ("murky") and previous stuff indicates, to me, that it will just be painted. It might look neat, but it won't be what we've grown used to with DF -- and it will probably look odd together.

Thing is, though, the MB stuff DOES look good. I may be really impressed with it, like I've been with the rest of it. It just won't in any way reduce my desire for the DF set.

This DF set, man... I don't know if they realize what they have. I'd seriously buy three. I really want this thing. Sounds like the coolest idea since the line began, to be honest.

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#7333
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I agree.

I hope that Jeff posts the sketches to the boards after Origins. That will at least give us an idea of how it will be set up.

I wonder if it will have pieces that are as simple as straights and corners built into 4"x4" floors with endpoints against cavern walls, or if it will be more complex, with flooded passageways, pieces where water runs along walls, and so on.

Any theories?
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#7334
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Or maybe crosses a passage or a hole in a wall Cavern or Regular. so you can link it with your set ups....
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#7335
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
Clear resin isn't all that bad to work with but you've got to get the mixture right between resin and catalyst. There are many different types of clear resins that offer various hardnesses ("shore value"). Another thing that can help prevent fingerprints on clear resin is a shot of gloss or matte clearcoat sealer and plenty of curing and drying time.

I worked a lot with clear resin over the past few years in various projects I developed. It took a few botched experiments to get the mix right but once I figured it out, everything else was easy.

Yukon--depending on how the molds are shaped, running clear resin up to the edge of a piece shouldn't be a problem at all. There are release agents that can help prevent the clear resin from sticking to the mold, just like any other resin cast.

My guess is that the technical problem may come from pouring clear resin over the previously cast resin piece. The curing temperature for some clear resins (and resins in general) can get pretty high and hot which might cause some warping or breaking of the "bottom" piece. Again however, they should be able to do this. I was able to submerge painted plastic miniatures inside of a clear resin cube without any warping or distortion of the painted figure. Here's a pic: www.purgatorio.com/gameroom/miniatures/cube_002_1.jpg

The resin I used to make that Gelatinous Cube is actually flexible. I searched high and low for it and finally found a source. You can squish it down a fair bit and it bounces right back into shape and doesn't leave fingerprints.

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#7336
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
I've worked with some resin before, with my HA buildings. I used a cheap approach, basically a thick varnish that they use for bartops. It's a two-part mix called Envirotex High Gloss Pour on Finish. You mix the two together, pour, and let sit. If you have a LOT of depth, it's best to do it in stages. But it works well, and didn't hurt the basic piece. And it's no-stick/no fingerprint.

Anyhoo, I want to echo the requests for sketches. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been wondering since this was announced "How are they going to DO that?" Part of it is getting the resin to line up neatly so that the pieces line up properly, but there's also the question of making the pieces truly modular -- you need them to be wild-looking enough to appear natural, but still be building blocks that can be combined in various ways. Plus, this is a like AND river -- so that brings up the question, how big is the lake? How many pieces? Will IT be modular, so you can make lakes of various sizes and shapes? Is the river just a stream? Or are all the pieces banks, with a few that are all water, so you can make a river of any width OR a lake out of them?

There are so many design questions, the mind boggles. As much as I want it, and as SOON as I want it, I would be EXTREMELY satisfied just to see SKETCHES, so I could know how it would basically work. I mean, we know almost NOTHING about this thing!

I'd say, sketches would keep me happy for several months. After that, I'd hope to see pictures. That would keep me going for another few months. After that, I'd really be itching to own the stuff.

And, again, this is the type of thing I'd buy every month. It's just so spectacular sounding, it will (I predict!) be the biggest seller DF has ever seen.

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#7337
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'm going to side with the DF guys on holding the concept art back. I'd hate to see them do the noggin work, give us a taste, and then have some other company leapfrog them to a produced item. Any way that ended would result in some lost revenues for the fine Dwarves here at the forge. This has happened on several occassions to the folks at world works, that's why it's almost impossible to get a peek at anything they have coming down the pike. Counterfieting/copying paper products is simpler that resin, but the time to prodution is also longer for resin giving folks more time to beat DF to market with thier own idea. One element I'm sure is an issue is the border ties. My input is that with this set forget them, at least along the water edges.
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#7338
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I agree with Tdaraa on this. While the fan-boy in me would really like to see what's coming I believe that DF needs to protect their intellectual property as well as they can, even if that means not letting the cat out of the bag until they are fully set up to produce the pieces.
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#7339
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
Here here, especialy if they are still a year off from release.
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#7340
Underground lake and river set? 9 Years, 1 Month ago  
I don't think anyone here wants DF to compromise their company/profits. That doesn't stop us from wanting to see the new stuff, though.

If DF is comfortable sharing the ideas, I'm all for getting a peek.
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