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#56683
Re:Survey 1 Year ago  
jls304 wrote:
" 3) There's no real need for resin lines, because the core product lines can be made in Dwarvenite for half cost"

I dont think most of us have seen the dwarvenite so I can't comment on
how the quality compares to the resin line. I have a feeling it will
be good but not as good as the resin line.

Sure maybe all the core sets can be made from dwarvenite but are they really going to make cavernous river sets in Dwarvenite? Really? If thats the case
then we will be stuck with cookie cutter basic dungeons which is fine for new customers but not for me. There are still some resin sets I must have.

I feel that if Dwarven forge was not going to resock the resin sets then they should have said something. Sure they want to expand their market with a cheaper alternative but they can't forget the die hard loyal fans that supported them until they got to this point. Restock the cavern line and Realm of the ancients at least and I will shut up for awhile.


@JLS
You make a valid point about not being able to compare the quality of Dwarvenite to the resin lines, so you can't comment on its quality. I did make an assumption that Dwarvenite would be held to the typical high standards that DF is known for. Stefan has already commented on his desire to make the Lake Sets in Dwarvenite, but at the time of this post hadn't figured out a way to do so.

I also don't wish for them to forget their loyal customer base, and I will remind you that I have a large number of resin sets and will continue to collect them. However, the company needs to lower their costs substantially to make any level of decent profit in my opinion. The price point of resin makes it a niche product that will be even more difficult to sell when compared to Dwarvenite prices. I still think my two below suggestions would be a viable alternative for periodic sales of the resins sets.
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#57539
Re:Survey 1 Year ago  
Hello,
just my feedback, after reading about the last restock of classic resin set.

I Understand that a company should follow contingent economic constraints, but I see a risk on the long term.
I don't know how much is profitable the new Dwarvenite line trough Kick Starters...maybe they are so much money, that any argument is futile.

But what I want to say is the following:
I don't start to collect something if a lot of BASIC items are no more avaiable..or if exist a strong risk of that.
On the long term the risk is that most of the customers base will be reduced only to a subset of the old customers..
When I visit a website of a company, where in their shop, many basic items are out of stock forever, what I think is that this product line is no more in health..that is what i Think...

so my suggestion is to provide certainty on the restock of old sets...doesn't matter if the restock is very unfrequent...if is for some set every even year and other set all the odd-numbered years..or even we can wait two years, or are ok also pre-orders, or specific Kick Starter, everything is ok...but don't say that an item is no more produced!
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#58101
Re:Survey 1 Year ago  
I for one am certainly willing to invest in a pre-order program for resin sets. I have worked for a small business for 19 years and been an owner for 10 years, so I can appreciate the tough decisions that have to be made. Yes, I would be willing to commit money ahead of time (like with the Kickstarter, but for the resin sets). When DF is ready to do a container of products, pre-orders could be opened for a period of time (4 to 6 weeks) with several options to choose from with the understanding that only the most desired options would be produced. At the end of the 4 to 6 week period, the winning products could be announced and an additional brief period allowed for additional orders. If a pre-ordered set did not make the final cut, then the money could be refunded or optionally applied to the purchase of the sets that will be produced.

But maybe don't time the resin pre-orders to correspond with a Kickstarter, otherwise we'd be the ones making the tough financial decisions!
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#58180
Re:Survey 1 Year ago  
I agree with pre-paid pre-orders for mastermaze.

Do it between kickstarters.
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#58181
Re:Survey 1 Year ago  
Sorry but I cannot afford to prepay for MasterMaze especially after doing the kickstarter. I can at best order a set or two at a time when they are in stock. So please don't do this pre-paid only or you only cater to those that have a lot of cash on hand.
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#58486
Re:Survey 11 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
thebigteacher wrote:
Stefan, Preorders are the way to go. I realize that there are minimum order requirements but perhaps you could hold payment until enough are ordered? There could be a countdown device showing how many orders till feasibility.


THIS.

I recommend a P500/750 type system where you capture pre-orders and when the totality of orders hits 500/750, you manufacture them. This has been going on for years and years, and can be thought of as a precursor to Kickstarter in many ways.

Personally, I'd think that would work well for customer's budgets so that they can always have the opportunity to plan forward for buying your products...the Kickstarters are a great way to do things, but I still think it's very tough for people to get into them as deeply as they want because there's little buildup to the project start, and then you have 30 days to sell off your kidney to get the 10,000 you really want to spend. ;)

kodiakbear wrote:
I had a long non-blunt post then I lost it.

So here is a short blunt version.

Full steam ahead will Dwarvenite.

Dwarvenite KS's every 6 months.

Let resin be for things that can not be made in Dwarvenite.


THIS. THIS 1000000 times.

I love the resin, make no mistake, but I'd rather have the more durable stuff because I am the kind of guy who hates lugging 20 boxes anywhere. I just want to toss it in a bag and be done with it. I've got a couple broken pieces that I've painted over the cracks to look "weathered" but it could've been very, very bad.

Plus, 85$ a set beats the hell out of a $150 set. I'll buy twice as much at that price than I would. I mean, I just bought another Den of Evil expansion and an Ice Cavern yesterday and it took two days for me to get past the "confirm order" screen due to the $300 price tag for two sets. The Kickstarter, though, I was selling off all kinds of board games to raise the money to get around $400 of product. And I'm still pissed that I couldn't get more at the time.
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#58494
Re:Survey 11 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
To each his own I guess. In the 10 years or so that we have had Master Maze I have never broken, chipped or cracked any piece, but I take great care with them and don't let gorilla players touch them! Cost is going to probably force me to go to the newer stuff, but I don't prefer it.
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#58497
Re:Survey 11 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
For those wondering what P500 is (such as myself beforehand): thegaminggang.com/2011/03/what-is-p500/
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#58539
Re:Survey 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
The P500 concept does look like a viable option.
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#58544
Re:Survey 11 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
brvheart wrote:
Sorry but I cannot afford to prepay for MasterMaze especially after doing the kickstarter. I can at best order a set or two at a time when they are in stock. So please don't do this pre-paid only or you only cater to those that have a lot of cash on hand.


I would expect that any preorder system would still enable DF to have an amount for their store.

The difficulty with a preorder system, from my perspective, is that it may not make financial sense to order only the preorder items. The costs associated with shipping and the minimum orders required to schedule the factory may require a total order size that would fill a shipping container.

A preorder system may enable the company to judge demand and manage cashflow but there are other product line management aspects that would also come into play.

A preorder system may allow restocking at 1x or 2x the preorder number - that may be the benefit for the company.
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