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#44785
DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
So let me see if I have this right. If we preorder by april 1st
we get 10 dollars off of the regular price of 149.00.

If we order 3 sets at any time between now and September we get
1 free 6 inch passage and after September the passages will be on
sale for 24.00 each.


To be honest 139.00 and 149.00 seem pretty expensive for this set.
I know costs have gone up but you guys are killing me here. I remember
not too long ago DOE room sets were 89.00 and now normal price for a similar
set is 149.00?

I wouldnt care as much if all the pieces are new or this was a double
sized set but come on! I think the short passages are needed as they
are hard to find and there wasnt enough of them so I'm not going to complain
they are reprints. But the repainted walls and curved corners are kind of a let down. It's nice to bring some extra color to the set but I'd feel
I was getting a better value if they were new pieces.

I don't want to pull a Heroquest France here but I wasnt expecting that much
of a price jump with that many prereleased pieces.

All that being said, I am still buying 3-4 sets. I love the set but I
had to have my nerd rant.
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#44814
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
I appreciate your concerns...first of all, let me thank you for continuing to be a collector and person of distinguished taste...the reason for the recent price increase on this set and many other sets is due to the fact that our costs to produce these sets has gone up by almost double in a rather short period of time...we have tried to keep the costs down as much as we could while still staying in business...while I understand that such an increase may cause a justifiable moment of pause, I feel that our prices are still very reasonable considering all the work and thought that goes into each set. One must always consider that these pieces are not made by machines, they are in fact painstakingly HAND crafted by a series of individuals of various high levels of talents for casting, sanding, assembling, painting, and packaging...all by hand, not by machine...even the felt on the bottom of each piece is painstakingly applied by hand...the pieces are then carefully wrapped and shipped to us at considerable expense and logistics from very far away....

In a world where everything is now made by machines and where hand crafting has become a lost art, I feel that every piece we create is still very much worth the cost. With proper care, they will last a lifetime, and may one day, be prized and sought after by serious collectors all around the world...

We who collect these pieces (yes, me included) are a very small community with a hunger and passion for high quality terrain. While most companies would have cut corners or sacrificed quality over the years, we never have, and in fact, have continued to try to raise our standards and improve our products where ever needed...this is what I promise as one fanatic to another...

I hope that after considering all these things that you are still comfortable with your order, because as always, we stand behind our products with a full money back guarantee.

Sincerely,
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#44815
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
jls304,

sorry, I forgot to to address your unhappiness with the walls...I understand what your saying...yes, they are the same as the other sets...but I think it is not unlike other sets where we have used the same stone walls in multiple sets, or even, the same multiple pieces in the same set...except these pieces are altered in that they are painted differently...personally it doesn't bug me that we used the same sculpts...it helps to keep the set consistent with the others, but maybe your right in that we should have made some small changes in some way...that however, would have increased the cost a bit and delayed the set by 3-4 months to boot...in the future I will remember your criticism and be careful not to be too repetative in multiple sculptures...so a point well taken.
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#44830
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
On the issue of price, I would like to point out that prices have gone up all over on my hobbies. Star Wars figures, the basic 3 3/4" ones, used to cost about $7 or so, now TRU asks $10 per figure. When Sideshow got the license to do 12" figures, they started out asking $55 or so, with more expensive figures for about $75. Now, they're basic releases are $90-120, and the more fancy ones go for $175 or so.

Reaper figures cost $4 or so back in the day, now they're closer to $9.

So, in that context, I see the DF price increase as not altogether shocking. Plus, in this instance we're not dealing with a massive company, just a couple of people.
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#44833
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
The dark tide of evil has returned with the next incarnation of DOE. Lava pools, demonic fountains, pyramids, and so much more. The DOE is my favorite. My players always know there in for a near death experience when the DOE is revealed. (insert evil laugh!) Keep up the great sculpts and unique sets. All hail DF
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#44836
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
It still costs too much
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#44839
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
Luxuries are always $$$. Dwarven Forge makes a premium product that's unique. I agree that the sets are expensive and smaller than ever for your buck. Costs for almost every non essential item have risen in the last few years. I will continue to support Dwarven Forge dispite the increase. I hope that they offer a coupon or deal in the future to help keep their customer base happy.

I would like to ask Jeff and Stefan if, as prices rise and China's standard of living rises along with them would you bring the manufacturing to North America. Most of your customers are here in America and across the pond in Europe. It seems wrong to manfacture and ship sets all the way from China when the demand is local. Dwarven Forge could bring jobs back and stop the trend of globalization that's hurting America. I for one would be happy paying a premium price for goods made at home.
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#44842
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
I know this is a great product, I wouldn't own 40 sets if it wasnt. I do expect
prices to go up some but I want to say around 3 years ago I purchased my other
DOE sets for 89.00 and now they are 149.00? That's not exactly in line with
inflation. I realize China's middle class is exploding and production costs
are rising but I still think thats a huge jump. It's not any of
my buisness how you run your company but I just had to voice my frustration.

On second thought, including the corners might not have a been a bad idea.
I think it is a great idea to make a set be useful on its own as a single set.
For example the Realm of the Ancients 2 set can almost make a huge stand
alone room by itself. With the other two DOE sets nearly sold out it was
probably a good idea to include some of the basic pieces.However, I would
have liked that the pieces be augmented some. It was the combination of the
price hike and rehashed pieces that bothered me, the quality was
never an issue.
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#44856
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
I must admit that the price of the sets has finally reach me also. For the first time in a long while, i wont be able to make the preorder because the cash hit is too big. I just can't afford it anymore.

It has nothing to do with my appreciation of the products, of course. I own 70 sets or so and still plan on getting some. The quantity will just be a little less.

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#44861
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'm a relatively new DF customer (I only started last year--just before the price increase, so I had good timing!), so I can't really comment on DF's current prices compared to their prices from a few years back.

However, we all know that DF's stuff is expensive. It always has been (which is why I didn't start collecting it sooner--I couldn't afford it!).

I am more than happy to pay a premium to get what I want.

The problem I have with some of the DF stuff is when I have to pay a premium to get stuff I *don't* want.

Take a look at Wicked Editions #1 in the Classic Dungeon line, for example. I really only need one (maybe two) of the demon arches, four or so of the curved passages, a couple of the staircases, etc. But I could easily use, like, a half-dozen of those portcullises.

Same thing with the Wicked Editions #3 set. I only need one of the snake arches and one of the double-doors, but I could easily see using four or more of those fountains and I could also see using a ton of those cage pieces.

So, I guess my point is that, if more pieces were available individually, I would probably be spending a lot more at DF.

Let's say that a typical set costs $100 and has 20 pieces, but only 10 of those pieces are what I need. I would happily spend $65 (or, roughly, a 30% premium) to just get those 10 pieces I need instead of having to buy the full set.


Surely, I'm not the only one who feels this way?

Of course, I don't know enough about the details of DF's business to say whether selling more individual pieces is viable, but, on the surface, it seems like it might help with the sticker shock related to the cost of full sets. (Especially the cavern sets--$169 for the Cavernous River set?! Holy Smokes!! Looks like I won't be expanding into that line anytime soon!)
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#44874
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
Yeah -- Dwarven Forge used to have a lot of individual pieces for sale, perhaps even a large proportion of what could be purchased as a set. But because of the cost of keeping individual pieces inventoried for years on end waiting for customers to scoop it up piecemeal, they had to phase out that business model.

I'd love to see some kind of compromise, whereby at least some pieces are available individually for those of us who can't afford to stock up on whole sets (or who just don't want to!)

There have been small gestures in this direction -- you can get certain floor pieces, river pieces, Hellscape pieces, etc. as singles. Maybe if enough people indicated an interest, that list could be expanded? Certainly the prison walls from WA3 would be excellent candidates. I think many of the pieces in WA3 work as multiples -- the awesome windows, the double doors, the columns -- but how many snake arches can you REALLY use? :P
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#44875
Re:DOE preorder questions and comments. 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
In regard to current prices:

I just retrieved an old copy of one of the very last orders I ever did in Europe. Dated 14.02.2003 - so pretty exactly 9 years ago. I ordered from a RPG shop in Berlin.

I did order
1 Trap Set for 89 Euro (now 70 pounds -> approx. 84 Euro)
1 Trap Set 2 for 77 Euro (no longer available)
1 Advanced Builder Set for 100 Euro (now 80 pounds -> approx. 96 Euro)

Yes - 9 years ago the Euro was worth a lot less compared to the dollar. And in pounds these sets are more expensive now as they have been. But I thought I throw this out here.

We tend to notice if prices go up. We seldom notice if they go down. Yes - I kept this order when I stumbled upon it cleaning out as a reference. I'm not saying everything is great now. But there have been worse times for DF in Europe as a customer.
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