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#39793
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
User7866 wrote:
emphatically changed by the meridian of the Second World War.

... RabidFox, is that you?

Heh heh hheh, sorry User7866, that was kind of a private joke for the oldtimers here at the forum. Your style is somewhat evocative of someone who used to post here.
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#39794
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
Yes, Our intention was to come out with some Egyptian stuff which can be added to the ROTA line to make it more Egyptian -like...not sure when though...already have some pieces done...

you guys have pretty much realized the reasons we did what we did...

Yes, ROTA is supposed to be an unknown culture, which can be used for DM's to create their own mysterious civilizations...

I think in the end, we wanted versatility, after all we are mostly Gamers and not Historians, I think that's what it came down to, as well as money...

my Game world is totally made up, even though it resembles our ancient cultures in many ways, it's fantasy...I think If one puts some Egyptian stuff into ROTA it will pass very easily as Egyptian with a little imagination, but I'm not an Historian, just a gamer with lots of fantasy...

If only demand warranted a full on Egyptian Set...maybe some day:)
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#39798
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
In response to the OP, we have been discussing and asking for "Modern" urban terrain for some time. Modern defined in this context as not ancient, directly sci-fi, or Fantasy.

As has been stated, the more generic a potential setting the better chances of it eventually being made (along with interest from the fans of course)...

We wanted inn and pub stuff for a long time and finally got a really nice couple of sets in response, but it took time.

So hang in there... And keep buying, anything is possible.

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#39799
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Law wrote:

... RabidFox, is that you?


X"DDDDDD ... I swear I was thinking that too..

Welcome to the forums User7866, and sorry, bear with us a little don't take us too serious.

I asked for an Egyptian environment many years ago too... in the end I think that the best option (in the realm of real posibilities) is to get an egyptian accesories environment to use with the regular fantasy settings, hope to see it some day, anyway there's a lot of nice Egyptian accesories out there (but unpainted yeah, I had to paint some myself, and I'm not good at that nor have many time to spend on it).

By the way, as has been said, everyone here asks regularly to Stefan for what they want, nobody is going to tell anyone to stop doing that! In that case I would have to stop asking for my SpiderWeb Caverns of Doooooom! ;-)

Greetings!
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#39800
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
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I guess one of the problems is almost everyone plays fantasy games (90%?) or their group plays fantasy.
... .

Why do so many people believe this bit of fiction?
I played some WFB, BB & WQ at one time, but that is it.
I have been playing games since the early '70s with either Avalon Hill counter wargames or made up rules with Airfix soldiers and kits.
In that ~40 years I have lived in about seven states and two countries.
The biggest group of fantasy players I have dealt with would never buy Master Maze - MtG Players.
There are a few fantasy role players and WFB and such gamers here and there, but most gamers I have seen are serious science fiction players and then the smaller group of Pulp players which are not Fantasy players unlike how some folk classify them as such.

Where you live David, are there really nine Fantasy players in the clubs, the shoppes, the associations and so forth for every one non-Fantasy player.
Most likely not.
There simply is not the money in it.

I lived in Baltimore for a while and at the game distributor The Armory (now Alliance East) on the west side of Baltimore (quarter mile walk from the local train & bus stop - so, easy to get to) all we played in their game room (showroom) was BattleTech and other sci-fi games like that plus some historical wargames mixed in.
Bought my first Master Maze there to play BattleTech in it since there was nothing like it any where else in gaming.
I remember trying to help "Cap'n Pete" (the guy who ran the room) try to find 25-28mm naval figures he wanted.
I also played at three other game stores in the area, and only one ran any fantasy gaming at all and that was GW's Warhammer Quest.
And this was in a US metro area that has more people in it than at least twelve of the states in the Union.

I think people just think there are such huge numbers of fantasy gamers out there because the notority/infamy/whatever of Dungeons and Dragons gets more air-time and thereby more attention.
I think Fantasy gamers have not been the majority of gamers, let alone this alleged 90% of them, for at least the last ten years.
And like me, if there is no or little science fiction terrain stuff to buy, one has to buy fantasy terrain to play in.
It does not mean I am playing a fantasy game.
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#39801
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
Law wrote:
User7866 wrote:
emphatically changed by the meridian of the Second World War.

... RabidFox, is that you?

Heh heh hheh, sorry User7866, that was kind of a private joke for the oldtimers here at the forum. Your style is somewhat evocative of someone who used to post here.

arsthein wrote:
Law wrote:

... RabidFox, is that you?


X"DDDDDD ... I swear I was thinking that too..


Is that my cue to stop asking for non-Fantasy Master Maze?

I did some reading, (actually alot of reading), hours of reading and thereby years of postings.
Seriously, am I being asked to cut line and leave?
Why else the "RabidFox" reference?
He was a person who some of you (e.g. Mighty Zug) hated, others simply disliked (you Law?) and a few liked (that older JKratzer player),
Most simply seemed to be unable to take his advice and "alledged" expertise despite evidence that it was actual and he seemed to know what he was talking about from what I have read.
But I also was not contending with him at the time so I am not trying to defend a point of view, against him or for that matter, for him.
He was turned into a hiss and a byword and was driven from these forums by what appears to be a certain clique of posters who had the ear of admin for some reason.

Is that to be my fate as well?
I am asking for Master Maze stuff that does not seem to be popular and wonder if I am going to cross these powerful people, who like Dwarven Forge as it is, as well.
Just some of my thoughts.
Welcome to the forums User7866, and sorry, bear with us a little don't take us too serious.

I asked for an Egyptian environment many years ago too... in the end I think that the best option (in the realm of real posibilities) is to get an egyptian accesories environment to use with the regular fantasy settings, hope to see it some day, anyway there's a lot of nice Egyptian accesories out there (but unpainted yeah, I had to paint some myself, and I'm not good at that nor have many time to spend on it).

By the way, as has been said, everyone here asks regularly to Stefan for what they want, nobody is going to tell anyone to stop doing that! In that case I would have to stop asking for my SpiderWeb Caverns of Doooooom! ;-)

Greetings!

Okay, some folks want some Egyptian stuff, but is it few enough folks that I should just shut up since I may be an inconvenience to others?

As to not taking y'all serious, how can I not?
I only have so much money to spend.
If what I want is not taken seriously or I am derided/"made little of" for what I want, why should I spend my limited funds in this direction?
Finger & Toe Games just came out with what is said to be the first of their Egyptian terrain line.
It is neither really what I want nor made from what I would like, but I am not getting such vibes of animosity from forum posters over there.

Sorry for the serious questions, but I am concerned.
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#39802
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
Stefan wrote:
Yes, Our intention was to come out with some Egyptian stuff which can be added to the ROTA line to make it more Egyptian -like...not sure when though...already have some pieces done...
Can it stand alone or be used with standard Fantasy MM?
... .
my Game world is totally made up, even though it resembles our ancient cultures in many ways, it's fantasy...I think If one puts some Egyptian stuff into ROTA it will pass very easily as Egyptian with a little imagination, but I'm not an Historian, just a gamer with lots of fantasy...

I guess I am just a wargamer and we are pretty much just a WYSIWYG breed.
If only demand warranted a full on Egyptian Set...maybe some day:)

What does this mean?
A hundred folks?
500?
1,000?

Thank you Stefan for responding to my postings.
Looks like these last three are all I can do before getting lampooned.
Really would love Master Maze for Egyptian, Mayan and Pulp.
Farewell.
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#39803
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
User7866 wrote:
I think people just think there are such huge numbers of fantasy gamers out there because the notority/infamy/whatever of Dungeons and Dragons gets more air-time and thereby more attention.
I think Fantasy gamers have not been the majority of gamers, let alone this alleged 90% of them, for at least the last ten years.


Well, just go to a gaming convention. The overwhelming majority of games run are fantasy, then sci-fi and war games and coming in far behind are pulp style games. That's the evidence I see, besides my personal anecdotal evidence of knowing about 60 different gamers in my time, all of whom played fantasy, about half also played some kind of sci-fi game and none played any kind of pulg style game what-so-ever. This is not saying pulp games are inferior, its just the data I see in my gaming travels.
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#39804
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
Actually, the RF reference was because you share certain traits of his:
1) Well educated
2) Articulate
3) Defensive.

It's not because of any secret desire to get rid of you or dismiss your interests.

Why do you keep sensing hostility where none exists? Several posters in this thread have told you we're just joking around. I explicitly encouraged you to produce wish lists.


As for the substance of the discussion -- most evidence is anecdotal, I'm not aware of any real study of the industry. When we talk about how many people play X v. Y, it's pretty empty. D&D certainly has a higher profile than any other RPG out there, but I'm not sure how that translates to sales. More members of the public have heard of D&D than 40K, but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that 40K outsells D&D by a wide margin.

Then there are the differences between people who buy fantasy products but don't play that much, and people who play a TON of scifi or pulp games but don't buy that much. How many people play, vs. how much they buy, vs. how many people buy -- these are all relevant distinctions.

Nobody has been telling you to abandon your push for the product you want. People have just been pointing out the explanation for why it hasn't been made. As for why you should buy DF if they don't meet your needs -- well, you shouldn't. If the currently available sets don't interest you, or if you feel like they won't be useful if the lines you want to see don't show up, then it's understandable that you wouldn't get into DF.

No reason to get so testy.
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#39806
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Actually, yes, in my experience approx 90% of people who role play, play fantasy. Not exclusively and not all the time but fantasy definitely takes up the majority of their time. I too am a veteran roleplayer who cut his teeth on 1st ed D&D, Traveller, Call of Cthulhu etc and who has been part of many different groups round the UK. About 90% of the 'activity' I see is fantasy related. You only have to go round shows to see it. WH40K and Confrontation are the only non fantasy games that I see a lot of and they are more wargames than roleplaying games.

I think the DF sales speak for themsleves for sci fi vs fantasy, even taking into account the discrepencies between the volumes of products avaialable.

Don't want to turn this into a "I'm older/more experienced/wiser etc" competition because on line it just looks sad and no can prove anything.

Lets just agree to disagree. :)

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#39807
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I see where you are heading Law, but that seems an endictment of every educated gamer that has had a less than great experience on-line.
"Joking" I have seen has been the excuse to be less than nice, actually hostile, to people many times.
Enough said about RabidFox.

As far as cons, been to several including PAX, GenCon (Milw. & Indy), Gen SoCal, DragonCon and Historicon; some of which were more than just one year's con.
Science fiction games in the playing areas out number fantasy ones two-to-one at very least at all but Historicon.
One year, a reporter at PAX asked some gamers about this in my presence; I got curious about what he was hearing so I asked him if I could tag along; he was told by all 75 gamers he stopped that fantasy gaming is the game of the past and science fiction gaming is the now; yes, it was only 75 gamers, but he found them from all over the physical facility of the con including two just coming out of a restroom.

Granted, at Historicon there is almost a complete derth of Fantasy gaming and the vast bulk of S-F gaming is Pulp or Victorian Sci-Fi.

I do not see Pulp as a distant fourth anymore at the serious large cons.
The Pulp movies with their resulting games and how Pulp heroes/stories grow during times of war and economic crsis, Pulp games are becoming much more numerous and much more in view these days.
Then again, how many Pulp games are being labelled Fantasy by people who just do not understand.
I run into some everywhere I go.

60 gamers?
You have known only 60 gamers?
You must not move at all and/or work never takes you anywhere.
The least number of gamers I have known in any of the places I have lived would be about that number.
Multiply that by how many places I have lived and ... .
Well, you can easily see where the number goes.

Gaming is no longer just a straight niche hobby; that is why companies like Hasbro are involved; it is now big money.
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... .
Lets just agree to disagree. :)

Dave

I guess Dave has said what can be said with this.

As I said before, I, and those I know of, can really use Egyptian, Mayan and Pulp setting Master Maze.
I guess that is all for this year - 2010.
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#39808
Re:Pulp-style Master Maze 3 Years, 10 Months ago  
All I can say is that we here at Dwarven Forge sell a very small portion of Sci-Fi Sets compared to fantasy...perhaps even lower than 10%...so I think money talks stronger than polls...

Still, I'm always open to make whatever we think is wanted as long as it's interesting and of high quality...I would never make anything shlokky just to make a buck...

in response to user7866:

The Egyptian stuff we are doing consists of treasures, so they are stand alone and can be used anywhere...If we do any architecture, it will probably need to be used within the ROTA environment as it will be that color scheme...

We aim to sell at least 1000 boxes within 12 months to make it profitable and worth while...

still have lots of the last Sci-Fi accessory Sets in stock....so, they have not done well...

sales are slow in Ruins and Wicked 3 so I hope it picks up for Christmas, and I have faith that it will:)
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