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#36452
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
Wow guys, thanks so much. Even just looking at pictures and reading the log on penny arcade, I feel I'm already addicted. I really want to be able to build entire layouts for when the players leave the outside world and their horses behind. I don't have any real budget, just trying to not be stupid, as I also collect and paint 40k models.

I think I might start with the room and passage set and a room set. Then move to some cavern sets. In my campaign they are getting ready to move on to an old prison tower that also descends into the ground and eventually some caves...if we ever play again that's what I'd be looking to set up. Again thanks so much guys!


**also since we are paused in game and may not continue (I'm looking at a slight style change, maybe a monster/vampire hunting kind of game), I am looking to move beyond what I've written for my game. I would love to build something akin to the picture on the home page of the DF website. I was thinking of using a black sheet I have as a 'fogging' device so they can't see the map. So I was wondering, about how many sets it would take to build that map in the image? Also has anyone tried the fogging things approach? Also When things are listed as out of stock, such as the room and passage set, how often will more become available?
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#36453
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There are a couple of approaches people use regarding "fogging"
1. use simple line of sight rules- if it isn't in line of sight, you can't see it and trust the players to act accordingly. I've done this, but its a little tedious adding and removing minis as they go in and out of sight
2. a sheet or pieces of cardboard covering what can't be seen- I like this approach best. It adds an air of mystery to the proceedings and keeps mini management simple
3. use of tea lights to simulate the glow of a torch (must be in a darkened room for full effect)- ares illuminated can be seen, darkened areas can't be seen. very cool for atmosphere but makes seeing your dice, character sheets, etc a little tough

Regarding restocking, its a little fuzzy as to when sets will come back. Its been my experience that it can take a few months, depending upon the set- standards like the room set, room and passage set, etc tend to be more readily available than some of the more niche stuff like any of the water sets (which I keep hearing are on hiatus for quality control reasons) or the more specialized stuff like Wicked Additions or Advanced Builder sets.
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#36454
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
If you are also a 40k player then you also should stock up on SciFi sets. At least 2-3 easch of the Starter, Passage, Alpha, and Beta sets and 1 Gamma.

For obfuscation I usually don't bother laying out the entire complex, only the segments that players are in/have discovered at the time. If there is sufficient room I may leave everything they see/enter behind and build around as they go, but if not it doesn't detract from the gameplay.

For tourney events where time is of the essence, I may to a full layout and depending on the availability of sheets of paper do an overlay that can shift and peel back as they go, or may just emplace everything and trut the players to "ignore" the unknown.

It does take some organization and practice but if you have planned well you can have entire sections of dungeon pre-staged in a partially disassembled state and swoop in to drop new encounter areas with a terrible swiftness. I usually use a "go box" layered. You build the entire layout, then downgrade by stages starting with the furthest/last encounter area at the bottom and stack rooms/regions in reverse order till you are at the start/entry areas.

As far as sets go, aside from all the mentions so far, you will definitely want the whole runs of Den of Evil and Realms of the Ancients sets. At least 2 of each.
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#36455
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
As far as sets go, aside from all the mentions so far, you will definitely want the whole runs of Den of Evil and Realms of the Ancients sets. At least 2 of each.
Main Den Of Evil set is sold out forever. Unless they want to spend more than two times the original price, he may not want to get into that.
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#36456
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You can still pick up the DoE Room & Passage set on e-bay for a reasonable amount. Sure, someone has listed one for $250 BIN recently, but that auction went up twice with no takers, so I doubt very much that's the current *going rate*

There is a DoE R&P set up on e-bay right now currently at $80 or so.
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#36457
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
Architech,

I would suggest four things to a new collector who wishes to avoid unnecessary expenses.

1) Initially avoid purchasing multiples of any given set until you have had an opportunity to actually work with some of them, to determine what pieces you are lacking. The cavern and room sets are perhaps the only fairly "safe" bets where a second set could be deemed useful right off the bat.

2) Do not purchase a bulk of any sets or pieces in order to complete one specific setup (I speak from experience on this one). You may find that too many extra pieces are not often useful beyond that initial use/setup.

3) Beware of potential "bow tie connectors" (in resale sets). If you decide to purchase any sets in the resale market please note that there may be a number of older/original sets out there that have the (now eliminated) bow-tie inserts in them. If you do not understand what I mean, please look through the cool photos section and you will notice bow-tie shapes/holes in the floors. These are from older sets that were phased out by DF about a year ago. I believe that bow ties were only included in the original MM and Cavern sets so the other lines would not be affected by this concern.

4) Do not spread your collection too far (into too many lines) in the beginning. Only buy what you really want to use. DF seems to keep coming out with new lines/options on a fairly regular basis lately. As a result you may find something later on that you "want" even more. Basically if your not sure if you really need it at the present time, then you probably don't.


I hope this helps.

WW


BTW,

The ABS (Advanced builder Set) and the Narrow Passages Set really add some variety to the basic room and passage/dungeon setups. Also the MBS set is a very striking and versatile set/line IMHO.
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#36458
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
one set of each is enough if you don't make huge boards of 2x4m²
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#36459
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
I must disagree.

I quite often find myself accessing more than one set of each type to make layouts that aren't anywhere near 6ft x 12ft. Who even has a table that big???
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#36460
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You have to push the wargaming tables at the gaming store together.
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#36461
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
You can still pick up the DoE Room & Passage set on e-bay for a reasonable amount. Sure, someone has listed one for $250 BIN recently, but that auction went up twice with no takers, so I doubt very much that's the current *going rate*

There is a DoE R&P set up on e-bay right now currently at $80 or so.

If it's the one I'm looking at it's now at 150 dollars with over a day to go, plus twenty dollars for shipping within the US. Starting prices don't mean much, although asking too much to start can mean no one bids at all. If it sticks at 150 then that'd be OK, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher yet.
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#36462
Question for Starting Out 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
You can still pick up the DoE Room & Passage set on e-bay for a reasonable amount. Sure, someone has listed one for $250 BIN recently, but that auction went up twice with no takers, so I doubt very much that's the current *going rate*

There is a DoE R&P set up on e-bay right now currently at $80 or so.

If it's the one I'm looking at it's now at 150 dollars with over a day to go, plus twenty dollars for shipping within the US. Starting prices don't mean much, although asking too much to start can mean no one bids at all. If it sticks at 150 then that'd be OK, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher yet.

I didn't know someone else from our Forum was also bidding on the DOE R&P set...ooOOPs!!!! :) Oh well, I've also been bidding cause I don't have that set and I don't know if it's ever gonna be restocked -- I know it's gonna cost me to get it...I just hope it doesn't get much higher cause I was debating whether or not $250 was worth the Buy It Now Price or not. Oh well!

Does anyone wanna trade a DOE R&P for a DOE Wicked Additions set (I have 3 of these).
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#36463
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I'm not bidding on the DoE set - just pointing out where to pick up out of print DF stuff.

BTW - the DoE R&P set will NEVER be back in stock. It was a limited edition and is now sold out forever (as it says on Dwarven Forge's web-site).

Hope you win it!
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