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#36309
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
But I still really want a set with a significant number of standard short passage pieces in, like 30 (because as I said, without it the R&P set is of somewhat limited use as I can't make many straight passageways...).
The ABS set comes with 3 long straight passageways ;)

Yeah, I know (I have two ABS as of today, so have six long passageways; they turned up with my second ABS2 and first WA1, and Fantasy Floors (which rawk)), but to make something useful I really do need a lot of short passageway pieces; this is, I think, particularly true where I might want to recreate a published dungeon. I'd say that at the moment, a keystoneless short passageway set is my number 1 desire, followed by diagonal walls. If there was such a short passageway set I'd get maybe two of them and another R&P set, I reckon, as well. I loves 10' passageways for the 1e feel as well as the tactical opportunities. They must have the moulds, etc, because there are two short passageway pieces in the R&P set (keystoneless, too); I guess that the expenses are opportunity cost, warehousing, on top of the normal construction, painting and shipping costs (although I know that Jeff is thinking of another short passageways set).

Back on-topic, I have reconsidered my early comment about WA being eye-candy. It's a mix of eye-candy and functionality; in some sense that's a bit unfortunate, as I want more than two curved passageways, say (from WA 1) but perhaps not two of those demon mouth entrances. On the other hand, the more functional stuff I have, the happier I am, and the eye-candy is, after all, very pretty. I'd also like some more 3-D stuff, more/different stairs, maybe (no door under them? I can always turn it round, in many cases, I guess).
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#36310
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
I would like to keep "useful' but non-exciting pieces -- like 1x1 tiles -- in the ABS sets. Pieces that are highly specific and only have 1 use can go in the Wicked sets.
I disagree with this. Columns, stairs, large floor pieces, rounded corners, pedestals, long walls, and portcullis are more essential than most of the stuff in ABS2 (and I love ABS2). ABS2 also has all those unusual doors, which are pretty specific pieces. Demon archways and mermaid fountains are flashy, but I don't use them all the time. In fact, I have about 6 demon archways now and I don't know if I've ever used them in a real game (and now I have 6 narrow magic mouth doors which I probably won't use either). Some pieces have specific uses and some are multi-functional.

True -- but that's not quite the point I was making. We're all dividing up categories slightly differently.

The original post distinguished between pieces that can be used in multiple WAYS and those that have only one USE. He wasn't talking about pieces you need several of. The mermaid fountain can be used in many ways -- but you probably only need one. (at least, that's how I read it)

You're talking about pieces that you can use multiples of, but you include rounded corners and long walls and porticullis and stairs pieces. You can use multiples of them, but some are cool and some are, well, a little dull.

See, for me, that's a totally hodge-podge, incoherent set. My point is this -- nobody who isn't a DF user walks into a room, sees a DF setup, and says "Wow! Long walls! I must spend $100 on this!" If you want to draw people in, saying "They make long walls!" isn't going to do it.

But if they see a little porticullis? Or a little staircase? Or a mermaid fountain? Or a secret door? Now THAT grabs attention. And that's what I want to see from a WA set.

There are pieces that are USEFUL, pieces that you can use MANY of, and then there are pieces that are FLASHY. I want that last category. Pieces you can center an entire display around.

I do agree with you, incidentally, that you shouldn't have to get ten pieces you don't need just to accumulate those you do. That's another reason to start dividing ABS-type stuff (which is useful, and you want many pieces of) from WA-type stuff (which is flashy, and you don't). Sure, there's a middle ground -- porticullis, stairs, columns, and such that you might want lots of but which aren't as flashy as a demon arch. I wouldn't mind a set like that. But any basic building elements - walls, corners, and floors that are simply slightly unlike what we already have (they're round! they're diagonal! they're slightly longer/shorter!)

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#36311
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
A 2" (or any length) passage with arrow slits. We can put pieces alongside for archers, or they can be "automated" traps.

Short Passage (or Straight Wall) with a hole in the wall, where (small) monsters might spawn, or small characters might wriggle into tight crawlspaces, or echoes will allow characters to hear clues about future encounters.

Short Passage with a fissure running down one wall, across the floor, and up the other wall. The fissure might be dark (similar to the Fantasy Floor piece), or it might have lava, or it might actually be sculpted as real gaps in the piece.
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#36312
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
A 2" (or any length) passage with arrow slits. We can put pieces alongside for archers, or they can be "automated" traps.
They had a couple of different arrow slit pieces with one of the traps set.
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#36313
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
They had a couple of different arrow slit pieces with one of the traps set.
Traps sets may be gone, but Arrow Loop Walls and Arrow Loop Passages are available in sets of 4 on the Individual Pieces: Traps page.

While the Arrow Loop Walls are (IMO) better for having tall openings, they are old bowtied pieces. The Arrow Loop Passages feature small openings, and aren't really passage pieces -- they are just a wall with a half-circle base, more like accessories that can be placed against other pieces. Someday I hope to see both arrow loop pieces return in a revamped Traps set, possibly a single set featuring the best pieces from both original sets. (I tried to start a thread on that topic, but it didn't go anywhere.)

An actual passage piece (two walls on opposite sides of a floor piece) with tall openings (and no bowties) would match up nicely with the old Arrow Loop Walls.
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#36314
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
A very short piece for 10' passages that is 5' long and allows for a door (ie, it'll be a wall and then a full two squares wide, all only one square long). Also a floor piece that's one square long by (two squares plus thickness of two walls) wide.
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#36315
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
here are some ideas
but i am not for these pieces, i got them already








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#36316
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
A very short piece for 10' passages that is 5' long and allows for a door (ie, it'll be a wall and then a full two squares wide, all only one square long). Also a floor piece that's one square long by (two squares plus thickness of two walls) wide.
Huh? Can ya do a sketch? We can't make any 5" long passages....they would have to be either 2" or 4" long ideally...

Thanks.
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#36317
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
I think he means a piece that is ten scale feet by five scale feet, with a wall on one five-scale-foot end (set like a passage wall, not like a room wall) and a sill (floor in place of a passage wall) on the other end. The actual dimensions would be 1" long by 2" wide (plus the width of the actual wall on one side and the missing wall on the other).

Put such a piece between two standard passage pieces and you can put a door/room midway down a passage. The same effect can be accomplished with the Short Passage with Openings piece and an Insert Wall from ABS2.
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#36318
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
Jackattack has the right of it, although the short passage with openings plus Insert Wall only works if you have the space for two inches long, which in a setup I was doing before I posted, I didn't have (which was why it occurred to me that I'd like a passage wall + sill). My post was using 5' per square as the scale, which I agree in retrospect wasn't that clear...

Jackattack's explanation is way clearer.
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#36319
WHAT TO MAKE FOR WICKED 3 FANTASY SET? 5 Years ago  
Jackattack has the right of it, although the short passage with openings plus Insert Wall only works if you have the space for two inches long, which in a setup I was doing before I posted, I didn't have (which was why it occurred to me that I'd like a passage wall + sill). My post was using 5' per square as the scale, which I agree in retrospect wasn't that clear...

Jackattack's explanation is way clearer.

OK, I think I understand...seems more fitting for an Advanced Builder 4 but perhaps it's fine to include it in a Wicked Edition Set...how does everyone feel about that? Is this a piece that would be welcomed even though you can do it with the 2" long passage from ABS3? (This piece would be a "passage section" that is 1" long with an opening on one side, If I understand correctly)
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#36320
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Great Pictures Tom!

You and some other poster's have given me an idea that may be viable...
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