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#18420
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Stefan,

I was wondering if you would be able to discuss the differences between the cavernous room and cavernous passage pieces.

As there seems to be a substancial difference in texture between the two sets, I was curious as to what the story is.

Different sculptors? Different material/techniques?
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#18421
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Blair,

You have a fine eye. I sculpted the original Cavern Set myself back in 2000...The Cavernous Passages Set was not sculpted by me.
It was sculpted by a team of 3 sculptors living in the good old english countryside, based on my rough basic technical designs and later criticisms...at that time in my life I just didn't have time to sculpt them myself. I was pretty pleased with how the team in england sculpted them. I sent them lots of reference including an actual Cavern Set to look over and then pretty much gave them lot's of artistic freedom to create whatever little nooks and crannies took their fancy.

For the Cavernous Rivers and Lakes I once again took the job on exclusively...
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#18422
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I saw the style change and just never asked your question Blairg.

Stefan that group in England certainly liked wet caverns, did they not?
Yours were considerably dryer, at least at first. :D
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#18423
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
RF*;

Ever been in an English cave? Or an American one?
Ours are usually MUCH drier than British ones, I've been told. So I think it was just a case of what the sculptor is familiar with, at least in the Passages instance.
I've been in the Smoke Hole cavern (WVa), before it was developed, and in Luray Caverns (VA). I was also once in a cave in VA that the locals called Ochre cave, because the entrance is a relatively small hole in a yellow ochre clay hillside.
Luray is, of course, rather damp; so was the Ochre one, until we were a ways in. The Smoke Hole was dry as punk, except for a tiny little stream D-E-E-P inside it.

I dunno.

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#18424
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I saw the style change and just never asked your question Blairg.

Stefan that group in England certainly liked wet caverns, did they not?
Yours were considerably dryer, at least at first. :D

The major area's of wettness were mapped out by me, as were the things like rocks and how they fitted into various places like the curved passage and 3-way passage with the pit...I also asked for the mithril cluster and stalagmite cluster...so maybe....they didn't have as much freedom as I led on...but of course, the texture is theirs...Oh, but the cascading pools of water was something they came up with...and that's one of my favorites:)
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#18425
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Shoot...just compare the illustrations in the 1st ed. Monster Manual and Fiend Folio...obviously the dungeons in the UK are much wetter than the ones hereabouts.
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#18426
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Have you seen how much it rains over here? All that water has got to go somewhere!
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#18427
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Let's compare.

The highest point in England is Scaffell Pike at 3,205 feet -- the lowest point is a place called Fenland, a mere 12 feet above sea level.

The highest point in the contiguous United States is Mt. Whitney at 14,495 -- the lowest point is actually 262 feet BELOW sea level but it is in the driest climate in North America, a little place we call Death Valley.
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#18428
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
My family is from and I still have much family in the the UK, specifically in Scotland and Wales.
None of us live in THAT place (the land of the Sassanachs) though, thank goodness.
jackattack just gave us another reason why Scotland and Wales are better than the land of the Sassanachs - Scaffell Pike is just a wee bairn compared to the highest peak in the UK - Ben Nevis of Scotland - 4,406ft (1,344m)!

Yes, I do know the UK and how much it rains and yes, I have been in caves and on peaks in both Scotland and Wales.

Spelunking is a hobby of mine among the many others including SF wargames and climbing; I usually get to explore about two new cave systems a year.
Actually, here in the Northern Rockies there are "wet" caves along with the dry ones.
Most of the "wet" ones though are made from ice and they barely sweat even in during high summer.
You have to dress as if you are climbing a summit in an Artic area when you do these cave systems.

It will be great for spelunkers once the war in Afghanistan is finished; I have seen cave systems there that beat hands down any I have seen elsewhere.
I also would like to go to Tennessee and explore the cavern that contains the "Lost Sea"; only 14 acres (5.67 hectares) of that cavern has been explored.

So Stefan, you a bit more control than you first recalled, eh?
No problem, the pieces look great.
Did they add any more wetness than you prescribed?
I am pretty sure they did.
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#18429
Differences between cavernous and cavernous passage pieces 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
The highest point in England is Scaffell Pike at 3,205 feet -- the lowest point is a place called Fenland, a mere 12 feet above sea level.
I'm pretty sure that we have areas lower than 12 ft above sea level. Most of our coastline, for example, which is generally 12ft lower than that!
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#18430
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Actually, your entire coastline is 12 or more feet above "sea level", which is an average figure rather than a variable determined by the local shoreline..

Think of it as England being that much closer to heaven.
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#18431
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Oh bother!
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