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#17667
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
L posed a question/preference in another thread, but it is kind of lost at the end of the topic, so I thought I'd bring it out for general discussion.

Should DF start producing accessory (furnishings) sets for its various lines, or continue focusing on building (structural) sets that expand those lines and perhaps introduce others?
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#17668
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Yeah, I posted this elsewhere in a thread that was getting a lot of activity and involved the general issue of "What should DF do in 2007?" and thoughts on the DF business model etc. But I suppose it deserves its own thread.

Here was my thinking:

How would people feel about a shift in 2007 or 2008 towards accessory sets instead of building sets?

SF is already due for furnishings, at least several varieties. Those could be done as expansion sets, with things built into walls and incorporated into the set itself. But they could also be done as accessory sets.
And it's been a LONG time since DF has done any new accessories -- I think the treasure and magic items set was the last one, and that was AGES ago.

Thinking about "what's next" and what I'd like to see from DF that hasn't been done, I feel pretty content with the actual building sets. Sure, there needs to be a water expansion to finish up the lake, and sure there are other great ideas floating around. But what we REALLY need -- well, things like accessories for DoE. And accessories for MBS, for that matter -- furnishings for a tavern, or an inn, or a blacksmith's, or an armory, or a peasant cottage...


So -- I'm curious what people think. Should Stefan relax a bit on the building sets and give us some blistered accessories a la the treasure and furniture sets? Goodies to put IN our environments, instead of to MAKE them?

Don't forget, the accessory sets, at $30-35, are MUCH cheaper than the building sets. And if you ask me, Stefan's accessories blow everything else away. I love Grendel, and Reaper has done some quality stuff, and Armorcast, and so forth -- but Stefan's tables are the best on the market. And that treasure/magic items set! The amphorae! The magic shield! The massive chest! There is just so much to love. I really feel like it's time to see something new in this category, now that the main building sets have received so much attention.

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#17669
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
I have to admit i have some very mixed feelings on this subject.

DF does a GREAT job at making the terrain sets, be it cavernous, water, stone, or sci-fi etc., and they have a niche going there, that others haven't really duplicated or matched in some cases they do come close but in the end those come down to some personal isses like pre-painted, scale, and shipping issues. (there are other comapnies and things from Dagoom, HA, Wizkids 3D dungeons, Ainsty, and some old and new stuff). For DF to commit to making more Accesories puts them in competion with other companies that do it, or did it, but as i write this i guess that pool is shrinking. In some sense i think it is rehashing some stuff already out, but maybe not...

Armorcast is gone, Grendel can be very hard to get, Anisty and Fendryll, is not a problem but for Americans the shipping can be a great deal (as DF is for non North Americans), Wizkids isn't making their terrain or accersories anymore, MegaMinis, JR, and a few other places that are mentioned in other threads are around and producing but i guess where i am going with this is that before i was going to say i would hate to see DF compete with established makers and get stuck with stock that doesn't sell and loose money, where they could have produced none accesories and maybe had less a gamble. But the market might have changed enough to make it less a gamble with the loss of an old mainstay in Armorcast, and Grendel getting to be very spotty in availibilty here in the US (with out paying the oversees shipping).

I started this thinking that DF would be getting back into territory well covered, but possibly it isn't While there were a bit of Fantasy stuff out there, and a small amount of Sci-Fi some of it has gone, and i think i have to admit a resin product (instead of some of the metal that is out there knoe from MiniFigs, and other places) made in the US so i don't have to pay the shipping from oversees, and that is in scale with the stuff i'm using might be a great thing.

While that Tony guy (griffin on E-bay) is producing at steady some new Sci-Fi there needs to be more, and there could stand to be some new Fantasy stuff, maybe even caverns etc. Oddly the Elemental stuff could go in the Accersories line, like walls of ice, or fire to add to a set or on it, instead of a whole new line of products...

So yeah DF making some accersories, night be a good thing...
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#17670
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Maybe the answer here is that it's time for Dwarven Forge to simply(???) expand the company a bit so that they can create both terrain/building and accessory sets at the same time. Product sales must certainly be soaring as everyone is now beginning to truly see the best dungeon product on the planet!

The pleasant problem that now awaits Dwarven Forge -- Will they be able to keep up with all of MY orders? *laughs*
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#17671
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
I would definitely like to see more accessories that could be used for Master Maze and Den of Evil dungeons and Medieval Building environments.
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#17672
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
I'd really like to see more of a committment to accessories from DF. Maybe not a huge investment in time/resources. Perhaps 1-2 sets a year.

If we're fortunate, the success of pre-ordering will allow for this to happen without taking away from efforts to produce additional environment sets.

(Oh, and as a side note, the accessories packages are moving from the clamshell packaging to a more generic foam-filled white box to reduce costs. Perhaps that will help make accessories more feasible to produce in the future.)
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#17673
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Ultimately, I want DF to produce the sets that are making money, period!

If a "vote" or preference is required, then I would want DF to expand and complete some of the (many) existing terrain lines first.
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#17674
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
To me, completing the existing terrain lines includes producing suitable accessories to go with them. However, I agree that DF as a business needs to produce sets that make money. But I seem to remember that Jeff posted not long ago that the existing accessories sets were big sellers. I think more accessories (if selected correctly for usefulness) will also be big sellers.
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#17675
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
I would think that DFs current 'combo releases/promotions' (e.g. medi Building sets with same time promotion of furniture/accessories sets) is a good model for planning future releases. Most people who buy a building/environment set will also buy the relevant accessories at the same time. People who have accessories already may be tempted to buy a new Df building set that 'matches' their current collection range. So this might look like:
Release new DoE set and then follow up with a DoE accessories
Release new cavern water set and then follow up with a Cavern accessories set
Release new Medi Building set and then release a new accessories set for that range.....etc

This should keep everyone happy and keep DFs bank balance healthy. It will also give Stefan variety in his sculpting schedule - it may be boring for him to do months of purely big/little pieces. (at least this is how I feel when painting figures/terrain)

Thats my pov anyway?
dave :)
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#17676
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Dave -

You may be onto more than you know. I know I get bored painting miniature after miniature after mini, etc. I suspect Stefan may also get bored the same way; artists are human, too!
Of course, with his sense of humor, I expect Stefan to doctor up a pic of him with tentacles or something, just to deny my little assertion up there!
ANYWAY, your suggestion of set/accessories alternation, now that we have so many different lines running, is a valid one, and a darned good idea! AND, it'll give my poor wallet a break, too!
And, with the drastic need for DF-rated, DF-quality furnishings and accessories for ALL the DF lines, Jeff could actually turn a nice little profit by way of selling the accessory sets to not only DF users, but all those OTHER people out there! I happen to know some GW-types who would LOVE to get DF-quality stuff for their buildings, both Fantasy and 40K. Not ALL 40K buildings are ruins, and the ones that AREN'T, need somewhere for people to sit and wait for action.
I KNOW I've been better known for telling DF to stick with the terrain pieces and leave furniture to other companies (Stop BEATING on me, RF*!), but after thinking about it, I've changed my mind.
Start designing, Stefan! We need chairs, better tables, beds, baths, and beyond!

See ya!

Jim
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#17677
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Well spoken, Jim -- Bed, Bath and beyond...I like that!
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#17678
Accessory Sets vs Building Sets 8 Years ago  
Presumably, DF will produce and expand the furnishings line in a cautious (and strategic) manner.

I'm guessing that it may begin with a set or two, (perhaps one for both SF and MM/B) to gauge the actual interest in such sets.

Once the actual popularity/viability of the set(s) has been proven and established, then perhaps the future opportunities in this area would be a little clearer.

Until then...
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