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#14503
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
To avoid continuing this flame war you seem to want so bad jackattack, I will only ask one last thing and only rhetorically with some obvious explanation.
How much do you really pay attention to what is written by Stefan Pokorny (stefan) [CEO - Dwarven Forge] and Jeff Martin (admin) [President - Dwarven Forge]?
Most of the small-business business concerns I wrote of have come straight out of their postings on the DF forums and from the DF Newsletters over the last 2+ years.
Some of their postings are quite revealing if you are familiar with the industry.
Some others of these are just honest-in-your-face about Dwarven Forge business and financial matters.
The rest of the knowledge comes from very practical experience in the gaming industry over several years, granted not working directly for Dwarven Forge (I have never claimed/intimated that).

B-on-S
I still believe, especially from what most of you have said here in this thread and on other DF forum threads, that following in the footsteps of the Ogre's Den is a mistake.
Even YC has said he agrees with me on the lack of utility of the Ogre's Den style room; we agree on very little so I might have something right here in his eyes at last. :rolleyes:
Any room set that is done in the future must be modular and able to be used in a variety of settings.

I am sorry Odhanhan if you and others like you really want the Arena set.
It just really will not fly until Dwarven Forge gets considerable more financial assets.
It plain costs too much to make, let alone market.
That has been the message from Dwarven Forge; Stefan has been clear about in the past on this forum.
Sorry.
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#14504
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
YC, among most of us that have been on the forums since they started (remember RF* is my second incarnation), can back me on this issue.
There have been members of these forums here who HAVE treated Dwarven Forge as their personal art servants - really.

Wha-wha-wha? What am I backing you on?

I've been around on these forums for a while, and I can't recall anyone who was that demanding when it came to a particular set, real or imagined. Sure, there was a lot of craziness surrounding the MapMaker problem, but it hasn't been repeated. I certainly haven't seen anyone making demands (not even you, with your repeated requests for sci-fi accessories), and even if they were, who cares? Dwarven Forge isn't going to make a set unless they feel it's viable. No one on these forums has any power over Jeff & Stefan.

If you really want to see demanding, take a stroll over to the D&D minis boards over at WotC, and see what slings and arrows a company has to put up with just because there are too many dinosaurs or not enough gnomes in their products. It might help put the posts on this forum in perspective.
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#14505
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
YC, among most of us that have been on the forums since they started (remember RF* is my second incarnation), can back me on this issue.
There have been members of these forums here who HAVE treated Dwarven Forge as their personal art servants - really.

Wha-wha-wha? What am I backing you on?

You did say you agreed with me about the utility of the Den right here on this thread.
Like you did not remember you old fox.

I've been around on these forums for a while, and I can't recall anyone who was that demanding when it came to a particular set, real or imagined. Sure, there was a lot of craziness surrounding the MapMaker problem, but it hasn't been repeated. I certainly haven't seen anyone making demands (not even you, with your repeated requests for sci-fi accessories), and even if they were, who cares? Dwarven Forge isn't going to make a set unless they feel it's viable. No one on these forums has any power over Jeff & Stefan.
As I recall KenM, to name only one of the radicals and the major culprit of the MapMaker fiasco, got rather hot under the collar about all of the effort going into Sci-Fi Master Maze and demanded to Dwarven Forge that Fantasy Master Maze needed and required the assets going into Sci-Fi.
He even gave specific pieces for Fantasy that needed to be done; as I recall even you agreed with him somewhat back then, as to certain parts being needed for Fantasy.
Granted, it was about the same time as the MapMaker fiasco, but he and the rest of the Fantasy fanatics were pounding their drums awfully loud and hard at the time.

If you really want to see demanding, take a stroll over to the D&D minis boards over at WotC, and see what slings and arrows a company has to put up with just because there are too many dinosaurs or not enough gnomes in their products. It might help put the posts on this forum in perspective.
How in the world can you have too many dinosaurs?!? :P
They were fabulous animals and are terribly under-utilized in all genres of gaming, but especially in Sci-Fi.
I and an inter-state group I put together have been working on and playtesting rules for them in the BattleTroops/DMZ/Vor rules system.

But more seriously, yes, I have seen the fanatics over there.
Probably since I have, I see persons, who can be potentially like that here, and move to cut that fanaticism off in the bud.
I guess that makes me sensitive to the careless enthusiasm that some shoot off here.
This is especially so since I have a pretty fair idea of what assets Dwarven Forge does not have to quest off in the various directions some here keep pushing.
At least it feels like pushing knowing full well that Dwarven Forge cannot do whatever the system is any time soon to please the pushers.

That concerns me too.
American customers are very impatient and as a result, very fickle.
Just because they cannot have "X" today, they leave where they are and start looking around for some other company that can provide or at least promise "X" right now or soon tomorrow.
I have seen it with American gamers as well.
Many of the European gamers I have interacted with have a better handle on the realities of the gaming industry and therefore have greater patience.

There are times that I just wish that one of us had some serious money and made Stefan and Jeff they could not refuse in all conscience.
Maybe then the assets of Dwarven Forge would be in a position where DF could actually try to address all of the wishing that goes on here.
Pipe Dream, right?
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#14506
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
OKAY, Time Out!!!
Everyone go to neutral corners and take five.

jackattack, RabidFox*, Blackhawk1, and Yukon Cornelius are ALL correct at one point or another in their latest set of posts!

YES, that's right, I said ALL OF YOU ARE CORRECT.
I'm also saying that each of you is WRONG at one point or another.
Dontcha HATE it when I do that?
Tough Noogies; deal with it.

Bottom line is this;

Jack has some excellent ideas, ones that can inspire Stefan to create stuff that he might not ordinarily have thought of; NOT because he's dumb (God KNOWS he's not that) but because he's not thinking in that direction.

RabidFox* DOES have a LOT of experience in the gaming universe - in fact he has experience in several of them, all different!. This does NOT make RabidFox* the be-all, end-all fount of knowledge in all things gaming. It DOES make him a valuable resource, and someone who should be listened to, even if he is wrong - which he can be, he's only human - because even his off-the-wall, cockamamie opinions have merit, if only in how someone so smart can be so DUMB! (Sorry, RF* but I think I DID catch you totally off-base once; ONCE! Although I don't remember what it was, I DO remember gloating at you privately, that one time - and haven't been able to catch you since, darn it!)

BlackHawk, you have pointed out two very important points; one, knock off the personalities, or take it off-line: two, furniture makes the room, not the other way round. 4 walls and a floor are nothing more than space. RF* constantly harps on this theme, sometimes to the point of obsession, and while he IS a little obsessive on Sci-Fi furnishings, he HAS a valid point, which you, BH, logically reinforce. Still, you gotta have somewhere to PUT the furniture.

Lastly, Yukon Cornelius. Everything you said about WotC and the MapMaker scandals is true. And your attempt to inject a small amount of levity into a hypergolic mix that was reaching ignition was welcome - at least by me and anyone else who doesn't want Jeff to have to shut this forum down.

Guys, there are over 550 registered members of this forum. Almost every ONE of us is aiming at their own, personal goals in gaming in general, and DF usage/collecting in particular. SOMETIMES, several of us will merge in a particular goal or two. Other times, we are diametrically opposed. SO WHAT? Is there anyone here who DOESN'T LIKE DF? Anyone who wants DF to go OUT of Business? Anybody have a grudge against Stefan because he designs some of the best gaming scenery and terrain ever made? How about Jeff; can I get ONE person here who wants Jeff Martin to fold the tents and quit?

Anyone?


Hel-lo-o?

That's what I thought; we're all on the same team.

So let's STOP the backbiting and bickering, start some general politeness and mannerly discussion, and get back to the serious job of HAVING FUN!!!

OR, if you MUST fight, take it OFF the DF forums and quietly kill each other THERE, then come back and continue the discussion as the reasonable adults I THOUGHT you were.

Okay?

Huh, maybe?

And, by the way, my opinion: I'd love to see Stefan and Jeff turn out a modularized arena, and other semi-speciality sets, but I'd rather they stay in business. So, DF guys, if you can do it at a reasonable cost to us without killing the company, please do. If you can't meet all those conditions, then please, DON'T.

See ya!

Jim
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#14507
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
When the guy who calls himself "Mad" makes the most sense, I think the thread has run its course. . . .

;)

Thanks for being a voice of reason, Jim!

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#14508
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I want to make a few things clear:

1) This board is here, in part, for customers to express their ideas and wishes for the future of Dwarven Forge. As long as those wishes are stated in a reasonable manner, then they are welcome. What Jeff and Stefan choose to do with this information, if anything, is up to them alone.

2) Forum members should not take it upon themselves to police the thoughts or actions of others. Disagreement is part of discussion, but I will not allow that disagreement to degenerate into open hostility. If anyone has a problem with a particular member or posting, they should bring it to my attention via email and let me handle the situation.

That having been said, this thread will now be locked.
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