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#14479
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Nope - it's a lovely piece but I think I would rather spend the money on something that will 'last' for more than 5 or 6 games at most (how many different campaigns can you run with a gladitorial arena?).

Wargamers/skirmish gamers - same problem.

Hey Blackhawk1 - I like your idea of modular buildings, only problem is that there is already a lot of people out there doing that sort of thing already.

Dave
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#14480
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Well, I think we've pretty much put THAT ONE to bed without dinner!

But, I think Myrthe is right that it would be a real kick in the pants if that's our "Mystery Set"!

And, RF*; you're right, Steiner Stadium and no other. Why bother (unless all ya run is BT/S7/Steiner)?

See ya!

Jim
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#14481
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Let me restate something- if it was a straight arena and that was its only use then its a no from me for the reasons already given.

However, if Stefan in his fevered imagination came up with a way to make a stadium that could be broken down into modular parts to make additional buildings, somehow, then that may change my vote. If the usefulness of the set means I can make a small village, medium tavern with stables, etc out of it then the expense may be justified.

i agree 100%
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#14482
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the near-useless Ogre's Den!
i disagree 100%
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#14483
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Sorry, RF*.

I don't use it a LOT, but I DO use the Ogre's Den. In fact, even if I didn't, I'd have to keep it, because sometimes Sandy used to refer to her Dad as The Ogre, when he'd get in a particularly NASTY mood. We lost him December 11, 2001, from advanced, agressive leukemia, and although he COULD be one evil SoB, he was also a WWII/Korea veteran and former PoW, and while I was growling right back at him, I also honored him.

So, Hats OFF to the Grand old Ogre, and his Den!

See ya!

Jim
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#14484
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I get a lot of use out of the Ogre's Den also. If I don't use it in a dungeon setting, I'll use it in a forest setting for a cottage that travelers stumble across. Witches cottage... etc. etc.
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#14485
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
While I don't use arenas very much in my games. If this one was available I would use it, lots!
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#14486
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Sorry, RF, gotta disagree on the Ogre's Den opinion...

It's great as a room in a dungeon but more-so (in my opinion) as a stand-alone above-ground building. It makes an excellent wayside tavern, a cottage, a shop (provisioner, alchemist, armorer), a wizards room, a smuggler's den off a cavern and even a healer's infirmary. It all depends on how you dress it out with accessories.

I'm hoping to get another to "Kratzer" it up a bit with my dremmel and use it as the ground floor of a Tudor-style building. I've already sketched ... and re-sketched and re-re-sketched what I plan to do (so I may need to get a few more) :)
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#14487
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the near-useless Ogre's Den!
I think we need to have a discussion about the meaning of the word combo "near-useless" since some folks took exception like dudebird here.
i disagree 100%
In other words the piece is severely lacking in utility compared to almost every other Master Maze piece out there.
Granted the demon gate wall and some others have limited utility as well.

What one should understand about limited utility is the question how much can you use the piece in a variety of settings (e.g. Modern, Pulp, Fantasy, Science Fiction, Near Future, etc.).

The Ogre's Den is lacking in utility because none of the interior can be changed and the room must stay the same size unless one pulls a "Kratzer" to change it.
Sorry, RF*.

I don't use it a LOT, but I DO use the Ogre's Den. In fact, even if I didn't, I'd have to keep it, because sometimes Sandy used to refer to her Dad as The Ogre, when he'd get in a particularly NASTY mood. We lost him December 11, 2001, from advanced, agressive leukemia, and although he COULD be one evil SoB, he was also a WWII/Korea veteran and former PoW, and while I was growling right back at him, I also honored him.

So, Hats OFF to the Grand old Ogre, and his Den!

See ya!

Jim

That is one way to keep in remembrance one's in-laws.
I get a lot of use out of the Ogre's Den also. If I don't use it in a dungeon setting, I'll use it in a forest setting for a cottage that travelers stumble across. Witches cottage... etc. etc.
Sorry, RF, gotta disagree on the Ogre's Den opinion...

It's great as a room in a dungeon but more-so (in my opinion) as a stand-alone above-ground building. It makes an excellent wayside tavern, a cottage, a shop (provisioner, alchemist, armorer), a wizards room, a smuggler's den off a cavern and even a healer's infirmary. It all depends on how you dress it out with accessories.

I'm hoping to get another to "Kratzer" it up a bit with my dremmel and use it as the ground floor of a Tudor-style building. I've already sketched ... and re-sketched and re-re-sketched what I plan to do (so I may need to get a few more) :)

Seriously folks, how often do you actually use the Den unless you are are making a point to use it in order make sure the money you spent on it was spent wisely?
Once, twice, maybe thrice a year if you are not going out of your way to use it.

Granted Dante & Myrthe have found ways to use it "outside", but how much more Master Maze are you going to use with it in that setting?
Enough for a porch?
Maybe a small courtyard?
Not enough to make it a good presentation to get others to buy Master Maze themselves!

If the Ogre's Den was such a great piece, why has Dwarven Forge not re-stocked it?
That will not take much cogitating.

Seriously, how many of you have explored any medieval dungeons or even modern basements?
How many of you have found fireplaces in these locales?
I have explored a large amount of medieval architecture in the United Kingdom and Spain along with the modern basements I have been in.
I have not once found a period fireplace!
Boilers, furnaces and such, yes.
Fireplaces, no.
So why in the name of whatever deity(ies) you might worship, would there be a fireplace in a dungeon crawl?

Granted one can do a serious "Kratzer" and re-model the Den, but you will also be re-sculpting the facing wall when you get rid of the fireplace.
Is it worth the time and energy?
Y'all already can read my opinion.

Finally a little while back, on another thread, we all were discussing the future release of set-rooms like the Den.
Several players expressed great dissatisfaction with the Den.
The OVERWHELMING majority agreed that, at best, it would be a bad idea unless the room was not really a set-room, but could be broken up into modular compenents; even some quoted here agreed to that majority opinion.

There is simply almost nil flexibility and therefore utility for a terrain piece like the Den.
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#14488
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Is it worth the time and energy?
good question.
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#14489
Dwarven Forge Arena Set and Technological Advances 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
I have used the Den in every single con I have ever set up. I would love to have a line of pre-built rooms... wiz lab, bank, tavern, etc.
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#14490
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Is it worth the time and energy?
good question.

Cute!
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