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#12975
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Stefan,

While I doubt the materials and paints are safe for aquarium use, I figured it would be best to ask the manufacturer for confirmation. If it could safely be used in a live fresh water aquarium I think the Master Maze stuff would be awesome for decoration.

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Jim
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#12976
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
What a neat idea.
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62 sets and counting. In addition, a boatload of individual pieces or sets of pieces.
 
#12977
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
My main concern would be the toxicity of the varnish for the animals and plants in the aquarium.
Stefan should be able to give you a good answer to your question.
He may have to call China for a definitive one though.
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#12978
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
We have no idea, really. Sorry. Sounds like a cool idea. I believe the paint is acrylic based.
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#12979
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
I think the paint is a sort of laquer but am not sure...it is also sprayed lightly after painting with a sort of sealer or varnish. I wouldn't put it into any fish tanks, and we certainly don't condone experimenting with any goldfish...
I do know that the paint is very difficult to work with. Here is a story from my adventures in China back in 2000:
When I made the first original Cavern Set design I actually transported the still soft sculptings by hand on the plane, on my Lap to the factory in China...once they carefully cast the pieces I was given the blank prototype castings in order to paint the color scheme...the paint was thicker than I'm used to and mixing colors was very difficult for me...I started to panic and freak out (still a little jet lagged) and especially because I had a dozen factory workers standing behind me looking over my shoulder making me nervous, the factory manager was laughing and said, "they are curious to see technique because you are artist!" so, of course, I was royally screwing up under pressure...I apologized and said that the paint was very different from the stuff I was used to and I was having a hard time mixing the right colors, help! So, they gave me an assistant to help me mix the colors...after that I was O.K. Although we couldn't speak a word to each other, I pointed to color reference photos in books I had brought with me (pictures of caverns) and he would mix the base colors. He was incredibly adept and fast...after that I had no problems...

sorry for the rambling, just brought up some kool memories...
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#12980
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
That is cool story...plus it's cute imagining stefan sweating with all these folks jabbering in a foreign lingo looking over his shoulders!

From what I remeber about aquariums, if yo just want to have goldfish in the tank, there's agood chance DF won't kill them. They're pretty hardy about that sort of stuff.
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#12981
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Have you asked anyone at your local pet supplies retail outlet? They might be able to recommend a clear sealant that you could spray the pieces with to lock in any toxins.
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#12982
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Hi Guys, It's Me Again!

IN THEORY, a full coat of an acrylic clear-coat, your choice of gloss, semi-gloss, or flat, SHOULD seal the paint WHEN CURED sufficiently to allow use in an aquarium setup.
HOWEVER, being the chicken I am (How do you THINK I survived Vietnam?), I would suggest a test in a small bowl, with the same chemicals you would use in a full-scale tank, in the same proportions, and 1 or 2 goldfish (sorry, Stefan) as sacrificial lambs. Give it a month, with regular cleanings and water changes as you normally would. If they're still swimming around, you can go ahead to trying different species. DO NOT USE a water-soluble paint; Testors Model Master Acrylic is okay AFTER CURING; I DO NOT know about Tamiya, but I would think so (test a piece separately in clear water if you don't know but want to use it). I don't KNOW about others (Polly S, Aeromaster, etc.) but the testing could be done.
In fact, that might be a good school project for someone's kids, for either Chemistry or Biology class; a Science Fair-type project, to test the water resistance of an acrylic paint coating in an aquarium setting. I don't THINK it's ever been done before, and it would certainly be a valuable test for aquarium stores as well as modelers.
Any volunteers (for the project, not the test!)?

See ya!

Jim (the evil doctor!)
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#12983
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
You MIGHT try a marine supply store for a waterproof sealant, but I can think of a few problems right off the bat.

1 - If you don't live near a major body of water, you might not find one.
2 - You might not find it in quantities less than a gallon.
3 - Many marine paints and sealants are actually designed to "repel" marine life (algae, barnacles), which means they are intentionally toxic.

Ask the staff clearly and specifically for a sealant that is NON-toxic -- explain exactly what you intend to do with it.
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#12984
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
This is an awesome idea though. You could make it the whole bottom of the tank, maybe even put up a few along the back on pillars or gravel with the stair leading up. I would like a big 200 gal tank one of these days but I'd have to convince the wife.
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#12985
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Thanks to everyone for the replies, and to Stefan for the cool flashback to the China trip. :)

I suspect that the stuff wouldn't be good for an aquarium, but it would be cool if it were.

Jim
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#12986
Using DF pieces in aquariums ... 8 Years, 7 Months ago  
Maybe I don't get it, but I'm not too sure why one would need to go all the way to China to mix up some paint.
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