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#10102
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
We do appreciate EVERYONE's opinion about future releases. I think I would rather see everyone stick to their suggestions and please not try to evaluate the suggestions from other forumites. Thinking that you might get hammered for making a suggestion will probably stop some people from making good suggestions. Please keep that in mind. I would appreciate it.
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#10103
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
We do appreciate EVERYONE's opinion about future releases. I think I would rather see everyone stick to their suggestions and please not try to evaluate the suggestions from other forumites. Thinking that you might get hammered for making a suggestion will probably stop some people from making good suggestions. Please keep that in mind. I would appreciate it.
[b]EVERYONE's[/b] opinion is important Jeff; understanding and accurate information about Dwarven Forge itself is as well and will make the opinions given more informed.
That way we do not have persons go off the handle on folks like what happened with the spoiled-brat accusations that occurred over the Map Maker software.

Jeff, you promised a while back that you would reformat the forums so as to make them more useful for both the fans and Dwarven Forge.
What happened?
The reformat should still occur and why can we not have a forum section just for new product suggestions then Jeff?
That would be an appropriate area for such and the ground rules there would be that there would be no "hammering".
Out in an open forum area like "Ask Dwarven Forge", questioning, comments and critique naturally exist.

I truly think that [i]all of us[/i] would benefit from an area of the forums just to be able to place our dreams of where Dwarven Forge could go in the years to come with Master Maze.
Open discussion areas are not the place for that; someone might question or even honestly oppose those ideas and then someone might be offended.
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#10104
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
We do appreciate EVERYONE's opinion about future releases. I think I would rather see everyone stick to their suggestions and please not try to evaluate the suggestions from other forumites. Thinking that you might get hammered for making a suggestion will probably stop some people from making good suggestions. Please keep that in mind. I would appreciate it.
I'm with Jeff on this as well.
I fully understand how passionate we all are about our Gaming! I'm a mad DOG!!! But, please... let's let everyone be able to express themselves without fear of derision or retribution or the burning of our tender souls... Gentlemanly discussion is fine of course.

If we find ourselves scratching our heads about what to do next we are always prepared to conduct a poll.
Most of the time we just go with our gut feelings as seasoned gamers and the input from our legions of gamer friends. And of course, the Input we get from the forum and from conventions is also very valuable since after all, it is you guys who are putting your money where your mouths are...and yes, selling direct is great because as L mentioned it allows us to please the people who really count, the Gamers!
I think we have been very lucky these past 10 years or so, as nothing has really been an outright bomb.

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#10105
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
That Map maker stuff was crazy eh? I hope we never go through that again! Fortunately it seems some kind people have posted some very useful map maker downloads here on their own!

Rabid, I am sure Jeff and co. are working on it but it is not easy especially when we have to worry about hacker attacks...I'm not a computer geek so i am not sure about all the complications involved...(it was easier to attach smily faces before, and I miss that!) I agree with you that there are still many improvements needed on this new forum after the attack...it's just that we don't have a big TEAM of people working on it...our main concern is to make the products great and so sometimes I am afraid the computer stuff will come slower...

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#10106
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
The way I see it, everyone can post what they want to see, and DF can decide what to do based on what seems the most popular. If only a few people are clammoring for X, then it will be considered for the future. If there is near-universal consensus on Y, it will be seen soon.

As far as these gamers we sometimes hear about with opinion X, Y and Z about DF, there is only one thing to say to these people: put up or shut up.

So gamers who want to buy Dwarven Forge product should then "shut up" and go elsewhere Law?
They cannot "put up" because there is almost nothing for them to buy!

Let them join the forum and add their voices. It's free. As you pointed out, RF, DF is a very small company. As such, they don't want to waste resources (time, money, etc) by guessing what people want. They want to hear what their fans want.
Some of these gamers have simply felt that the forums are not for them.
Why?
Because they work in stores and/or for companies like AEG.
At least seven have told me they are not going to bother because of how much I get hammered here Law!
They feel that folks that actually work or have worked in the gaming industry are NOT welcome!
Why?
Because of how I have been treated!
One guy actually went back and reviewed how I have been treated since I originally joined back 26 April, 2004 - the 66th person to join.
It was not a pretty picture Law that he drew during our on-line multi-user discussion.
The attack on myself in both my incarnations and then on Death's Left Hand, which three of them know, was the last straw for those three and evidently for her as well since she has chosen to not post for a considerable amount of time.
One guy says all the DF folks really want here is a bunch of cheerleaders
I do not think any of these folks are going to join the Dwarven Forge forum despite their enthusiastic use of Fantasy Master Maze.

DoE received a lot of support here, and it was a rousing success. DF was very happy with it. The resources it generated enabled them to survive and plan for a future that was otherwise in doubt.
"Rousing success" Law?
Then why is the second portion of the 1,500 sets not already sold out?
If you think they are waiting for Christmas shopping, well, it is getting a little late.
Christmas is only exactly three weeks away, and most people I know of the gamers and their families over a considerable portion the U.S.A. have already used up their Christmas money.
I am VERY concerned Law that DoE will become the albatross for Dwarven Forge that the minis are now.

DF now knows that if they do what most people here want, things will work out for them. They can't get involved with guesswork about what people NOT here want -- at least, not now. How can they be sure that someone's griping in a game shop is really meaningful? If you can't be bothered to join and post here, can you be bothered to buy? To buy 5 sets? To make it financially worthwhile for DF to listen to you?
Not counting myself, the group that participated in an on-line multi-user discussion owns a grand total of 171 Dwarven Forge sets in nine states, most of which are Fantasy sets.
Is that enough for a valid opinion Law about the fact that they are having trouble acquiring any more Master Maze items because Dwarven Forge has been spending assets elsewhere?

You know what I think is interesting in contrasting our group to the Dwarven Forge forums?
The Sci-Fi players in our group do not consistently get the "I do not care about you" attitudes thrown at them in our group like are thrown around by several Fantasy Master Maze users on the Dwarven Forge forums.
That intolerance by itself is a matter for concern for several gamers in our group.

I'm sure you do this already, RF, but for anyone else -- if someone you know has an opinion about what DF should do, ASK THEM TO JOIN UP AND POST. The more people here, the more voices DF hears, the better decisions they can make.
Commented on above, but I will add that several in my group feel that the benefits of doing so can be effectively relayed by a single group member until the climate in the forums changes.

Remember, one of the MAIN reasons DF said they went the direct route was because they can do without an intermediary. The fans say "We want X" and they can make it, without having to convince retailers, distributors, etc. that they should carry it even if they're sitting on unsold A, B and C. The system can only work better if more people are here and posting, more opinions voiced about what people want.
It does not mean that Dwarven Forge wants gratuitious demands with "I want it now" selfish tones Law.
Really an area for this very thing, of making desires for new product known, needs its own areas with ground rules that indicate that one cannot criticise peoples' ideas.

Actual voices of approval on the forums -- the desire to see cavernous lakes, and Sci-fi 6" walls, and DoE and its expansions -- mean a lot more, and are a safer financial bet for DF, than the myriad of "I heard from a guy"s and "someone I know said"s.

L

Then get Dwarven Forge to give us an area just for that Law.
That way the more timid among the population have a protected preserve for their ideas.
Placing ideas in the open public areas of the forum gives those ideas over to the comments, opinions and critiques of the general forum population.
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#10107
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
Rabidfox wrote " Too often people here seem to forget that Dwarven Forge is not a big company like WOTC or GW as far as assets ",,,,, Boy am I glad for that. The other day I went to a friends hose to do a bit of D&D mini tradeing localy before going to Maxminis. Well we got into a discution about dragons and that they were planing on making aline of Gargantuan and Colasal dragons next year. He then showed me some VERY AWSOME plastic dragons that could very easily fit on to a Gargantuan or Colasal bace. These dragons were painted to a level I would have difficulty doing on my best days. He then told me there price.... 15$ !!!!!!!!!!! WOTC was planing on making theirs for 40 and 50 bucks!!! And I am sure they would look like the dragons they have put out so far " one or four colors with that seriusly thick washed out look.... These were incredibe and half the cost. The point of all this is fine! Let DF take time and put out new genres when ready and no cookie cutter dungeons for us. I asked my friend you know why dose this little company make these so well for so little and a huge company like WOTC cannot.. How do they get away with it. He said. " because they can "... Ok that was a rant and may not be tooooo much about what we were talking about but there it is..
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#10108
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
That Map maker stuff was crazy eh? I hope we never go through that again! Fortunately it seems some kind people have posted some very useful map maker downloads here on their own!
MapMaker
How FUBAR!

On the other hand, there was a silver lining in all that fiasco and debacle.
I too, publically thank all those who made those privately made downloads; who knows how many Master Maze sets that caused to be purchased.
I know of 17 myself.

Rabid, I am sure Jeff and co. are working on it but it is not easy especially when we have to worry about hacker attacks...I'm not a computer geek so i am not sure about all the complications involved...(it was easier to attach smily faces before, and I miss that!) I agree with you that there are still many improvements needed on this new forum after the attack...it's just that we don't have a big TEAM of people working on it...our main concern is to make the products great and so sometimes I am afraid the computer stuff will come slower...

Stefan.

What happened to Computer Tom then?
Plus, Jeff mentioned he was getting help from a couple other folks.
What happened to that?
Those folks will have the knowledge to put an end to the Hacker attacks.

As far as forum feedback on this, there was considerable comment about what folks wanted with the Dwarven Forge forums.
None of that happened Stefan.
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#10109
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
Rabidfox wrote " Too often people here seem to forget that Dwarven Forge is not a big company like WOTC or GW as far as assets ",,,,, Boy am I glad for that. The other day I went to a friends hose to do a bit of D&D mini tradeing localy before going to Maxminis. Well we got into a discution about dragons and that they were planing on making aline of Gargantuan and Colasal dragons next year. He then showed me some VERY AWSOME plastic dragons that could very easily fit on to a Gargantuan or Colasal bace. These dragons were painted to a level I would have difficulty doing on my best days. He then told me there price.... 15$ !!!!!!!!!!! WOTC was planing on making theirs for 40 and 50 bucks!!! And I am sure they would look like the dragons they have put out so far " one or four colors with that seriusly thick washed out look.... These were incredibe and half the cost. The point of all this is fine! Let DF take time and put out new genres when ready and no cookie cutter dungeons for us. I asked my friend you know why dose this little company make these so well for so little and a huge company like WOTC cannot.. How do they get away with it. He said. " because they can "... Ok that was a rant and may not be tooooo much about what we were talking about but there it is..
I agree about Dwarven Forge being more responsive and having better customer service than a lot of the big guys, but whitewind, there are people here who really expect Dwarven Forge to have the assets and the wild release schedules that the big companies have.
That is totally unreasonable!
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#10110
What about Medieval Home Interiors? 9 Years ago  
I'm with Jeff on this as well.
I fully understand how passionate we all are about our Gaming! I'm a mad DOG!!! But, please... let's let everyone be able to express themselves without fear of derision or retribution or the burning of our tender souls... Gentlemanly discussion is fine of course.

Please then get Jeff to get the guys to set up an area for just new ideas Stefan.
I simply comment on others the same way I have received.
Somehow, there are folks here who feel they can critique me, but that I cannot critique them?
I still do not understand why.

If we find ourselves scratching our heads about what to do next we are always prepared to conduct a poll.
Most of the time we just go with our gut feelings as seasoned gamers and the input from our legions of gamer friends. And of course, the Input we get from the forum and from conventions is also very valuable since after all, it is you guys who are putting your money where your mouths are...and yes, selling direct is great because as L mentioned it allows us to please the people who really count, the Gamers!

Does there not need to be a tone of patience and understanding on the gamers end of the continuum?
Some who post their ideas (aka creative demands) here just seem to really fail to understand how truly small Dwarven Forge really is as far as both manpower and assets Stefan.
Maybe you and/or Jeff need to post a thread that cannot be commented on explaining the situation; it might truly gain some real understanding from those who think there is much more than there really is..

I think we have been very lucky these past 10 years or so, as nothing has really been an outright bomb.

Stefan.

I heard that the minis were close to being so from folks in the industry who claim they have spoken to you and Jeff about the subject at conventions and such over the years Stefan.
Maybe it was their take on what y'all said, but it is consistent among those who claim to have spoken to y'all on the matter.

I just sincerely hope that DoE does not take the same path and is greatly more successful!
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#10111
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I remember looking at DF for YEARS before actualy buying the stuff. They only came out with a few more sets than they had when I first looked so I know that this was a gently sloping upward hill. " But that way we won't get caught in the snow right? Speaking of snow will the folks up north quite hoging it up? Can you send a few wispy inches this way?????
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#10112
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I remember looking at DF for YEARS before actualy buying the stuff. They only came out with a few more sets than they had when I first looked so I know that this was a gently sloping upward hill.
Too many gamers do not have that patience and/or understanding whitewind.
Read all of the demands that have been posted just in the last four weeks.
Even some of the big guys wouls not be able to keep up with the apparant gaming public here.

"But that way we won't get caught in the snow right? Speaking of snow will the folks up north quite hoging it up? Can you send a few wispy inches this way?????
I am up in the Northern Rockies currently and would love to!
No such luck
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#10113
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I remember looking at DF for YEARS before actualy buying the stuff. They only came out with a few more sets than they had when I first looked so I know that this was a gently sloping upward hill.
Too many gamers do not have that patience and/or understanding whitewind.
Read all of the demands that have been posted just in the last four weeks.
Even some of the big guys would not be able to keep up with the wants of the apparant gaming public here.

"But that way we won't get caught in the snow right? Speaking of snow will the folks up north quite hoging it up? Can you send a few wispy inches this way?????
I am up in the Northern Rockies currently and would love to!
No such luck!
SNAFU!
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