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#3033
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Anyone use Dwarven Forge to play Sunless Citadel? I just ordered some DF stuff and I'm going to use it to DM the module. I'm sure I'll have to make some modifications to the map in the module to make it more doeable with the DF sets I bought, but any hints or suggestions from anyone that has already done this would be most welcome.
If it makes a difference, the DF stuff I ordered is:
Room and passage set
Wicked Additions 1 and 2
Narrow Passage set
Cavern set
Cavernous passage set
4 extra alcoves (don't ask me why, I just thought you can't have too many alcoves)
furniture set
treasure set
dungeon accessories x2
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#3034
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Zoro,

Wow you are Getting a Great Start... And Although I Have Never Heard of Sunless Citadel, But it Sounds like you Have the Makings of Some Good Dungeons... What do you Expect to be the Most "Difficult" Conversion?
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#3035
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I don't have the module in front of me right now. I'll post again when I get home and get hold of it. Sunless Citadel was the first Wizards of the Coast published adventure for 3rd edition (I think). It was first in their 3rd edition adventure path, and was for first level starting characters (D&D). I'm really excited because I used to play back in college, but since then I've kept buying stuff and reading about the new 3rd edition, and then 3.5 ed. D&D, but had not gotten to play. I mentioned this sad fact to my brother and his girlfriend and they said they'd be willing to give it a try.

To my amazement, they are totally excited about the characters they made and really eager to play for the first time. We play for the first time this weekend. Perhaps I'll even get the DF stuff in the mail in time to use it for the first game (it's been shipped already), but if not I'll surely have it for the second time we play. Hopefully, the DF stuff and nice miniatures will help them get into the game easier, since they are both new. My brother kind of played with me and my friends when he was little, but he was too young back then to really get into the game. This time (about 18 years later!) it's different, and he's totally excited to play his first level wizard (his girlfriend made a first level druid with wolf companion which suits her animal loving nature in real life perfectly).
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#3036
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Zoro,

Are they Hireing a Few NPC's? That seems like a Magic Heavy, Combat Light Party... Early Level Wizards are So Defenseless...<EFG>... Very Kewl on getting your Players interest up... Let us Know how the Game Goes? And... If You Do Get your DF Stuff Snap a Few Pics and Post 'em... Make Your Game Famous!
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#3037
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I will try taking some digital photos once I get the DF stuff. I probably won't get it in time for this first game this weekend though. But I think we'll still have fun, and it will be good for the players to see you can play without the fancy props, but then hopefully wow them next week with the DF stuff. Since it's only two players for the time being, I rolled up a fighter and rogue NPCs to accompany them. The druid also has a wolf companion, though I haven't figured out how to let her bring it into the dungeon since the entrance requires climbing down a rope (maybe Tenser's floating disk?).

The biggest challenge in the dungeon in terms of building with DF is probably the site of the final battle at the conclusion of the adventure. It is supposed to take place in a vast cavern, though there is an area semi-enclosed with "walls" in the central part of the cavern where the bad guy is waiting for them with his assistants, guarding a Gargantuan evil tree growing underground (there is a good and neat explanation of why there is a giant evil tree growing underground with no sunlight).

There are a couple of other difficult rooms, including a circular room at the entrance, and a half square, half circular room housing a chunk of a kobold tribe, but I'm not too worried about those, since the exact shape of the rooms is not important to the adventure, so I have no problem reinventing them into DF friendly shapes. Not sure what I'll do about the big final cavern though. It seems a shame to not use DF for the final confrontation. Maybe I'll play around with using DF just to represent the central semi enclosed area and part of the rest of the cavern and just draw on the battle mat to show the outer boundry of the cavern.
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#3038
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Sunless citadel was made for a party of four characters, I think, so you may want to add some NPCs to the party to help them out or get two more newbies to play (dwarven fighter and possibly a rogue, would be a good start). The minis and DF should help a lot in fueling the imagination.

Actually sounds like you have everything under control so...

Best of luck and have fun GMing. :)
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#3039
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Zoro,

Well I Look Forward to Seeing the Pics for Sure... And as to the "Enclosed" Area, What Defines this Area? Cave Walls? A Building? And How Big? If It is more Structure Like then Cave like, Take a Look in the "Cool Photos" Section for an Early Pic from Thor of his Drow Village... This was a Nice Example of Using the Dungeon Pieces to Build Rooms inside of the Caverns... And I Agree that Odd Shaped Rooms are Negotiable unless a Very Specific Strategy is Integral to the Storyline... As to the Wolf... My Best Suggestions Are:

A) Let the Players Come up With Something on there Own...(Good Exorcise in Problem Solving)...

B) Have them Come Across an Old Camp Site or Ruined Cart, a day or So from the Dungeon, where there Just Happens to be some Odd Bits of Seemingly Useless Stuff Laying about... (An old Wagon Wheel, might be the Basis for a Pully, While a Beat up old Tent Might Make a Good Sling...

C) The Old Fall Back of Having the In Town Local "Fortune Teller" Offer Some "Good Advice" and a "Fortune" For a Few Coppers... (They Would Then Tell The Party Something Cryptic Like "Can that Dog Fly? If Not Will She Fall?") The Players will Wander Off Mumbling... But If You Have a Barker Selling Rope a Few Minutes Later Maybe they will Clue In?

D) Please Tell me Giving them a Tensers Floating Disk was a Joke?...<Chuckle>...
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#3040
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Thanks for the suggestions about dropping hints and ideas. Helped me remember how to be a better DM (it's my first time back behind the DM screen in over 15 years). We started playing and have played 3 sessions. Still have not received my DF sets in the mail, as I ordered them through ebay from a supplier that is reputable but very slow in shipment (3 to 4 weeks minimum, apparently). So in the meantime we are playing on Chessex mats with D&D plastic minis. But I did receive the dungeon accessories set and dungeon furniture set (ordered these from a faster shipper), as well as some Mageknight dungeon accessories and traps, and the DF and other 3-D accessories really help bring the rooms to life. Can't wait to have the actual DF rooms, passages and caverns as well though. Once we start using the full fledged DF dungeon (almost certainly should be a week from today) I'll take some digital photos and post them.
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#3041
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Zoro,

No Problem, And I Know how it goes getting "Back" into the Swing after Not Gameing for awhile, but I'll Bet you Are Doing Great three weeks into the Game... And I Agree on the MK Stuff and Other "Bits" they really Help to add that extra Focus for the Players... Not to Mention the Ego Boost we as GM's Get when we Get a little WOW Action at the Table from the Players Right?...<Grin>... In Fact When I First Started Using a Battle Mat (Mid Eighties), That was The WOW... It So Blew away Using Regular Graph Paper, or Even Using true Drafting Paper which comes in Huge Sheets of Regular Scale Graph Paper... Having a Battle Map these days may seem Archaic but fact is It is a Very Usefull Tool... But By Gum DF sure is Pretty...<Chuckle>...
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#3042
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 1 Month ago  
I finally got some of the DF stuff I had ordered from some ebay sellers. I'm very excited to start using it this weekend in my Sunless Citadel game. I've already tried building some of the more unusual areas with the DF stuff I have in order to practice and I've been pleased with the results so far. Since I have to travel to a different location to play, transport is the hardest challenge, but to save time I've been building the more difficult areas at home and mapping them out to make assembly faster, hopefully, when I get to my brother's place and set up the portion of the dungeon they'll be exploring next. With two cavern sets, two room and passage sets, and Wicked Additions 1 and 2 I was able to build the huge cavern for the final showdown in the module, with enclosed partially ruined underground fortress and adjoining rooms. I also successfuly was able to build the hall of the Goblin King, which involved a large circular room next to square rooms and halls. I'll try to remember to take some digital pictures to post when we actually play.
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#3043
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 1 Month ago  
Zoro,

Yes Please Post Some Pics... I Have Been Thinking about Getting Back into D&D... (Since Buying so Damn Many Minis...<Smirk>...), So I Have Been Thinking about Purchasing the Citadel and it's Sequels to Start a Campaign... I Have All of the Sets You Mentioned above (Plus some), So I will be Curious to Find out your Opinion on how well it Converts...
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#3044
Sunless Citadel 10 Years, 1 Month ago  
No pictures to post yet, but I can tell you I've been able to build a reasonable approximation of almost everything so far. The one thing that I haven't figured out how to simulate is the crack in the earth that's supposed to run diagonal through one passageway and from one room on the lower level. I did the start of it with diagonal walls, but the characters chose not to go there yet. If and when they do, I might just draw that on a battle the battle mat I use underneath the DF stuff. Everything else has worked pretty well. I approximated a large circular room where the goblin chief's throne is with cavern pieces. I'll see if I can post some pictures this next weekend. The difficulty is that I leave all the DF stuff over at my brother's house because that's where we game, and when I'm over there they want to spend all our time together playing and don't want me to take time to take pictures. But I'll try to find the time.
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