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#19539
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
I don't think that DF should produce all the miniatures to accompany their modules. It has been suggested in other posts.
There is already a lot of other companies that does the stuff. The problem is that some of them are hard to get and they are from a lot of different companies.

I think they should make an agreement with other companies that already produce the miniatures and sell the stuff directly from DF site.

I would certainly buy them from DF, they would be easier to get, since some companies are in europe.

edit: by miniatures, I meant figurines
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#19540
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
What you're asking is for DF to act as a relay, then. A middleman. You would place an order with DF, they would place the order with the production company or distributor, and then the order would be shipped. Does it go directly to the customer, or will DF take delivery and then ship it out again?

How much should DF charge for this service? A dollar an order? Five dollars? Ten percent of the amount you are paying the producer/distributor?

There are already a lot of other companies that do that, online. Anybody like to recommend one?
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#19541
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Not really, they would make a deal with manufacturers that already produce some of the stuff, to produce it for them. Some could be unique miniatures only for DF. I'm sure it would be cheaper for them than to produce themselves. And since they would buy a lot, they would have good prices and I think they would be able to offer them for a prive similar to what you would pay the manufacturer.
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#19542
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
DF would then become a retailer for other companies' products, ordering (and warehousing) inventory against possible sale.

Why would another company restrict themselves to selling only to DF, when they could sell to everyone on the open market? Where are the savings in buying pieces from another company (which has all of the original costs of production, AND has to include its own profit margin)? Why would DF have a better sale price than any other major distributor that orders in quantity?

This is outside DF's business model, as I understand it. They are doing very nicely in their market niche, and while I hope they continue to expand their own product lines, I don't think becoming a distributor for a limited segment of the miniatures market would be a good business move.

Although a page with links to companies that sell accessories might be a nice addition to their website.
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#19543
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
The competition is very intense. Thats why they dont produce mini figurines anymore.
The products already exist from other companies, and even more important, the sales are limited. I mean how many bartender or fireplace would you buy?

My ideas that they could sell a "tavern patrons" pack, a "Tavern staff" pack, a "commoners" pack etc... where the figs comes from other manufacturers.
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#19544
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
If I had the means, I would buy two of every well-sculpted fireplace, wooden countertop, table, and furniture set I could find. I like being able to make variations on a theme, so players can have three different tavern-based encounters (for example) and visually distinguish between them not only by different size and shape rooms, but different accessories. (Including different bartenders and serving people.)

Yes, competition is intense, and the products do exist from other companies.

But as has been pointed out in another thread, the architectural bits produced by other companies are often slightly out of scale, usually being a bit too large. Those pieces were also sculpted independently, so don't quite match DF's look. Most weren't made to go "with" ANY particular architectural set-ups, they just exist with no particular context -- no one company's pieces match any other company's, so buying from lots of different companies can give a set-up a "cobbled together" appearance.

I believe that the previous lack of availability of a context for those pieces, AND the fact that they don't match the context now available (DF) let alone each other, are the primary factors in the limited appeal (sales) of architectural pieces from other companies. I think DF accessory pieces that are specifically designed to go with DF structural layouts will have a much greater appeal to those who are interested in this kind of accessory. (Especially since you are not just buying a fireplace, you are buying a fireplace AND stairs AND railings AND candles on wall sconces AND a host of other items, every single one of which matches every single other piece.) And the availability of a cohesive set of accessories might actually encourage people who like that sort of thing to buy not only MBS2, but other DF sets to put the accessories in.

I also hope that that this encourages other companies to start making their accessories to "DF standard", using the same scale and matching the look of DF's pieces. (Without violating any copyrights, of course.) I would be thrilled if an established (or new) company looked at DF's product line and said, "Okay, they've got the tavern thing pretty much covered, but the market is wide open for a wizard's lab." Or a prison cell. Or a throne room. Or whatever. If THAT's what Crioux means in the first post in the thread, then I am all for it. But I don't think DF should opt out of this section of the market, nor do I think they should try to "force" an existing company to change its products or sales practices to accommodate DF's standards.
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#19545
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
...but the market is wide open for a wizard's lab." Or a prison cell. Or a throne room. Or whatever. If THAT's what Crioux means in the first post in the thread, then I am all for it.
Actually, I'm talking more about figurines, and less about acessories. Drunken patrons, barmaids etc...
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#19546
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
I think it's something DF should at least think about doing. To take a real world example, Paizo Publishing is selling miniatures from a lot of different companies. I'm pretty sure Paizo is selling them at around the same price as the maker of the product. I'm assuming that they have deals to buy them at a relative discount.

The problem with this operation is that DF would have to buy them and keep them in stock. It's a lot more products to process and keep an eye on inventory levels. This mean they may have to hire someone just for this. Is the profit worth an additionnal employee? It's for DF to answer, but I would guess no.
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#19547
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
It's not just the extra personnel (or additional pay for existing personnel who have more to do), it's also warehousing, and packaging/branding, and shipping from the manufacturer to DF and then shipping from DF to the customer. While it might be convenient for us, it would be highly ineffficient and possibly quite expensive for DF.
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#19548
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Guys (and ladies, if any are nuts enough to hang out here with us);

DF makes EXCELLENT gaming terrain, currently underground and MBS. They are considering furniture and similar accessories for their lines of scenery.

DO NOT ask them to branch out further, into figures! The competition, be it painted or unpainted, is SO FIERCE that it will hazard the entire DF company! That's why DF STOPPED making figures.

DF has a niche market here, making and selling QUALITY terrain, and MAY branch into furniture and accessories to go along with it. Jeff and Stefan are NOT going to get back into figures; they have learned, the hard way, not to compete in that arena.

DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR; stick with what DF can continue to give us.

Sorry about the shouting, but I had to get everyone's attention.

See ya!

Jim
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#19549
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
I agree with Jim that terrain, rather than figures is what Stefan sculpts best. If I want figures I buy Reaper or GamesWorkshop. I suspect it would be hard to compete with the 'Big Boys?'

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#19550
Miniatures and accesories 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
Here, here, for the level heads that have spoken.
Let DF do what they do best until they are at least a medium scale company or get themselves a sugar daddy/mommy/baby.
Then, let them explore all of the wild frontiers.
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