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#9328
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
It came....

OK -- super busy lately, so I'm glad I could find SOME time to squeeze in some quality DoE time. Here are a few quick just-got-it-opened thoughts....

First of all, absoluetly, this is a great, great, great set. Stunning. Going to be extremely popular for a long time, and I once again voice the thought that this set should not be something that completely goes away. The Cavern sets have been popular for years now, what would it do to DF if people were told "Oh, those are OOP now"? Keep THIS particular set limited, but get a variation on it back into production so that future fans aren't turned away at the velvet rope....

Second, some general thoughts....

The walls are a bit thinner, true, but they don't feel too fragile to me. I'm not going to be pitching these at passers-by, but they feel solid enough to retain that quality Dwarven Forge "don't worry about it breaking" feeling.

The set is flexible as a setting, but I am not 100% sure I see this as a sci-fi set. Sure, it COULD be, but then, so could just about anything. Dungeon and cavern sets are both fine for some SW settings, and in that sense this could work as well. I do think it would make a great Sith fortress. But I'd say it's a fantasy/gothic set primarily.

I'm really impressed with the paint job and the quality of the modularity -- some of the cavern pieces don't always fit together perfectly, and in general sometimes there are gaps or problems, but this set fits together SEAMLESSLY. The floor pieces in particular become one large mass, the borders almost invisible. Great. And the paint job draws out all the detail, and features just a hint of color, very nicely done.

Now, onto some more specific reflections...

There is a huge amount of detail in these pieces, but I think my favorite is simply the floor. The symmetry of it, the sharpness of it.. very nice. And, with a little imagination, you can see the recessed areas as open, creating the impression that the floor is a kind of gothic grate, over a misty aether...

The bricks are fantastic, in particular on the backs of the passage pieces where you get a whole brick wall. If you line up the reverse side of the passages together (I'll have a pic of this later) you get a nice long brick wall with occasional outbursts of monsterism... cool effect. Plus, the "lost souls" buried under the floor are so cool, it's nice to leave some showing in some places....

The design looks like it would make an even better Escher piece than the one already posted (and, presumably, lost....sigh) since these pieces are more "angular" than the fieldstone pieces...

I also see a lot of cool potential for repainting in this set.... maybe THAT's how it could be re-issued without compromising the "limited edition" promise. Two options spring to mind -- a "bloodstained" one, inspired by hte fact that two of my pieces did in fact have what looked like bloodstains on them in places, traces of rusty brown.... Take that a bit farther, with blood on the walls and pooled in places.... Also, a shiny black version (think Orthanc in the LOTR movies) would be cool... I'd almost want to buy another set myself just to spray it black and have a cool black set... though it'd be tragic to lose the fantastic paint job they already have.... so I won't be doing that.

I really only have one complaint, since I'm not someone who normally uses the passage elements- - I wish I could get more regular pieces without adding more passages to my collection.... The passage pieces I have now are great, but I wouldn't want to be forced to get more each time I want more regular pieces....

I may have more to say later.. For now, I'm just basking in the really cool new stuff, and populating it with lots of Underdark minis.... (the latest expansion of official D&D minis for those who didn't know)

(oh, and I got #0021, for those who care)

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#9329
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
Thanks for the detailed comments! Please keep them coming. Don't let the @#$@# hacker kill this thread. My ego needs to be fed!
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#9330
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
I have much positive to say about the DOE, but I feel like people are saying a lot of positive things lately. I instead will relinquish my dissapointments.

The main beef is the paint job. I feel like the drybrushing was a little over the top on my set. A little less paint would have shown more depth. Also, the silver talons and other features on the wall pieces were very sloppy. I haven't encountered this much slop-over in the past with DF products, so I feel pretty confident that it is a quality control issue. I just read a post that claimed that they were really pleased with the paint job, so perhaps I got a case of new-guy syndrome.

The other one is: 2 of my 3 doors don't close! Again, just a resin shrinkage issue, but frustrating just the same.

I have tons of good things to say about the set though. The pieces FIT!!

Hopefully the criticism doesn't hurt, Jeff.

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Wow two posts in a week. I've gotta cut down...
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#9331
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
COLOSSUS,

I am very anguished to hear about your quality problems. Please speak/e-mail to Jeff about a replacement on part or all of your pieces. All the pics I have seen posted on the web site have shown very excellent paint jobs so perhaps yours were not checked properly at the factory. Please note that each and every piece is done by hand, many painters are at work, and perhaps on occaision someone gets sloppy or... evil.... aaarrg! We will complain of course to the factory. We guarantee high quality and you have a right to demand it.

Sorry COLOSSUS.

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#9332
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
I just got my three sets (!) and I'm a happy camper. I've not had the time yet to check all the pieces out, but I'll do so after my game this weekend. So far, the set looks fabulous. I love the lost souls in the edges of the floors.

The drool factor is VERY high. Much coolness.

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#9333
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
Stefan,
I have never had issues with any DF products in the past, and I really don't think that I will ever have one. As I said, overall I am so very pleased with DOE. I feel like I got my money's worth. As a matter of fact, just a little sanding and I got my doors in order, without comprimizing their paint. If I were to compare this product to any pre-painted fantasy scenery, it would still be vastly superior. I have decided not to request replacement on any of the pieces. None of them would I consider "deal breakers". I eagerly await the next release of goodies. As you can see, my faith in the company is not shaken..

Thank you for this.

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#9334
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
You know, I have to admit, I went back and looked more closely at some of my pieces -- there's a little slop from the silver paint in places on mine, as well. It's VERY TINY, and not easy to notice, but it's there.

One of the three doors I had in my set was stuck for a half a second when I first opened it, but once it came loose it's been fine since then.

I say these things not because I'm unhappy, but as a "heads up" for the design of future sets, in particular the DoE expansion set. These are issues you want to watch out for, Guys-at-DF. The DoE expansion obviously has to fit in with the current DoE set, but other than that, in future offerings, paint like this seems to carry a bit of risk. I know that most of the silver paint I've worked with is thicker and harder to use on small surfaces without overspillage. And these are the first DF sets with paint on such small details. It's probably inevitable that there will be some problems on SOME pieces -- these things have, what, 10 teeth on EACH piece? Each one individually painted? What would the odds be that they'd all be perfect?

It took me days, and reading another post, to notice the problem on mine, so I woudn't even call it a problem. But in the future, if this is something that is gonna keep the guys at DF up at night, it might be safer not to include details (at least paint details) like this, if it brings up this kind of possibility.

Just something to think about. DoE still absolutely rocks!

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#9335
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
Well, my feedback is that I liked the first two sets enough that I ordered a third one! However, I do think it would be nice to have a set available with more walls and floors and no corridors. I really didn't need or want the corridors from a third set, but just didn't want to wait to see if the next set would include more room pieces and end up without given the limited nature of this set.
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#9336
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I Second the Request for More "Room" Pieces in this Set... Especially if it is Going to Be Supported in any Way...

One of the Ideas I Had about Repaints, was that the Floors would Be Great to do Alternating Red and Blue, or White and Red or What ever, Creating a Very Kewl Checkerboard Potential...
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#9337
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
A few more thoughts...

1) A "throne" type piece (either an actual throne or something similar) would be GREAT. This whole area is dedicated to SOMETHING or built by SOMETHING, and the center of it all needs to... well, there needs to BE a center to it all. Some monstrous aberration abomination against nature needs to have its seat of power here. And an actual seat would be a neato way to do that.

2) I like a "room" set idea, but please DON'T connect it to the expansion set. The more I think about it, the more I realize - the whole POINT of wanting such a set is for people to get tons of basic elements without accumulating stuff they don't need to make rooms. Passages, stairs, whatever -- the point of the room suggestion is for people who will buy 2 DoE sets, 2 expansion sets, and 15 basic room sets. The more basic and flexible, the more tempting it will be to buy one more -- the harder it will be to say "Well, I really don't need another X, so I guess I'll (reluctantly) stop at just 5 sets...."

Just something to think about....

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#9338
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
I Second the Request for More "Room" Pieces in this Set...
Me three.
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#9339
Feedback on DoE 8 Years, 11 Months ago  
I Second the Request for More "Room" Pieces in this Set...
Me three.

I think i wrote somewhere else that the more people request a DOE "room" type set the more likely we will do one. I getting pretty convinced that we will need one. I had mentioned also that perhaps I could include more room type pieces with the Evil additions Set and make it a huge double box set, but that idea does not seem popular....does it? If we do not include them a room only type set will take a few months later to get created because we will not just pack the existing walls into a box. That would seem to violate the Limited editon aspect for the collectors out there. I think a room set will have walls that a very similar but not exactly the same. It would also include other things that gamers would want multiples of such as secret doors or something else...any suggestions for things that would be better for this set rather than the evil additions set? basically things that you would be happy to have multiples of.

Jeff is currently at Gen Con So Cal busy coordinating True Dungeon so I am not sure how available he will be this weekend on the forums... although i know he will check time to time when he is not lurking around in costume within his own dungeons...

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