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#17322
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Unfortunately, the larger the pieces the harder it becomes to cast them without distortions...so we will have to stick with the 4x4 size...yes, we can make smaller sizes but that opens up other design issues of course...
I noticed this with the original Room and Passages sets (the dungeon sets). No big deal but I can see how that could be a real QA nightmare!
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#17323
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
there will be some other goodies as well besides the "single corner shore" the "triple corner shore" and the "opposing corner shores"...
Here's an idea - how about not giving us any of these pieces. Thats right no single, opposing or triple shore corners!

Instead how about several 2" square open water and single corner only pieces. 8 x 2" single corner and 12 x 2" open water. That we be enough to make 3 single corner shores, plus one triple and one opposing. Or alternately you could make other cobinations of these and also 4 corner and 2 corner pieces that already exist.

I am sure there is a reason that caverns are on the 4" standard rather than 2" of other sets, but as these bits would almost always be fully contained inside a lake (or river) I think a small amount of 2" pieces would work fine.

Unfortunately, the larger the pieces the harder it becomes to cast them without distortions...so we will have to stick with the 4x4 size...yes, we can make smaller sizes but that opens up other design issues of course...

Sorry Stefan, from your reply I think you may have been misunderstandding what I ment to say. I was suggesting 8 of 2" by 2" single corner and 8 of 2" by 2" open wate. I can see know what I wrote could be ambiguous.

I was also worried this may open a can of worms about introducing 2" pieces into caverns sets. While we can debate about a full range of 2" pieces what I was suggesting is these pieces come in a set divisible by 4 and for use in making 4" by 4" blocks of lake/shore/river pieces that can be used in exisiting sets in place of another standard 4" nby 4" piece.
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#17324
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
My concern with smaller 2" water pieces is that too many breaks between too many pieces and you destroy the illusion of a single body of water. This is not such a problem with cavern pieces or with dungeon pieces, but the edges between water pieces distract from the water effect and should be kept to a minimum.

But the pieces Stefan mentioned (one corner, three corners and opposing corner) sound awesome and I'd be sure to buy a set or three with those pieces. It would be great if such a set also had pieces like the lizardfolk abushers but with sharkfins or tentacles coming out of the water.
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#17325
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
My concern with smaller 2" water pieces is that too many breaks between too many pieces and you destroy the illusion of a single body of water.
A fair argument. Whatever modularity you make is a compromise. The best looking pieces would be a whole lake cast a single piece but that would totally inflexible, A whole lake of 2" piece probably would look dijointed, but I think a few would be OK (But realise that is subjective and open to debate)

My inclination is the compromise is worth it for the extra flexibity in this case. Example:

Say the set included three single corners, one opposed corners and one triple corner. Thats what you get and how you can use them (I guess such a set would be worth about $60)

With eight 2" single corner and 12 2" open water. You could make set of 4" pieces as described above plus you could make
* Four singles and a quad (like and extra river X piece)
* Four doubles (any combo of opposite or next to each other like the lake entrances) and an open water
* Two tripples and a double and an open water
* Two tripples and a two singles
plus I am sure there is a few more combinations

Not only would this set allow greater chance of having that final piece needed to finish of a lake neatly, it would be simple to make as it only requires 2 distinct pieces compared to 3 and one of these is all water.

I guess the final choice is up to Stefan, just throwing round ideas.
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#17326
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
My concern with smaller 2" water pieces is that too many breaks between too many pieces and you destroy the illusion of a single body of water.
I strongly agree.

Please produce the needed Lake pieces in the (consistant) 4x4 size.

IMHO I believe the appearance of the lake setups would suffer noticably as a result of inconsistant plate size/patterns being spread in an irregular fashion, (being placed where needed) throughout a setup.

As far as flexibility goes, if there were strategic quantities of these included then it is quite likely that most setup "inflexibilities" (if any) could often be directed/designed and limited to one small "island" area that could easily be disguised with a small (or large) sunken boat, or covered with a pier or one of a number of of other creative possibilities. Subsequently, the appearance of so many of the additional and irregularly placed groupings (of the 2x2) pieces would be far too many to be disguised.

Sorry, but IMHO the percieved aesthetic benefits far outweigh the cost of requiring an extra (two?) 4x4 pieces worth of Lake corner pieces.

On a final note:

Normally I would agree with the suggestion for a more verstile design for some (speciality) pieces. My opposition to the previous suggestion (re: 2x2 lake tiles) is due to the Lake sets having unique, (visual) characteristics that require it to be treated differently from the MM sets.
In addition I believe the pieces in question are essential Lake pieces and would be used as often as most of the other lake pieces and, as a result do not require re-designing to make them any more "useful" than any of the other pieces.

Please don't interperet the above criticism the wrong way. It's just my opinion and interperetation of the possibilities with an attempt to explain my position, with some options and alternatives added in.
If any of the points I have made come-across as abrupt, please do not interperet it such! I feel strongly about the above issue and had a lot of things to say regarding it. In the process of doing that I have attempted to avoid "waffling" to ensure as much clarity as I could.

Thanks again.
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#17327
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
WW -

I dunno about YOU, but I appreciate a writer such as yourself, who can express their opinions without screaming and yelling.
There are too few of us left, even including RabidFox* and a few others here on the forum.
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#17328
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
One concern I have, now I've tried to play with my lake sets (yes, I got 3) is that there is one bit where there is 1/4 of a rock that may be left hanging in the breeze as it were. I'd love to have a spare bit of rock that will back up to the exposed edge and make the rock look complete.

Am I making myself clear? It doesn't seem to say what I want to, to me...
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#17329
Lake Set reviews 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
4" x 4" works really well for the cavern sets - 2" x 2" would be too small, though it works well most of the time for dungeons. Stefan did a really good job of 'dovetailing' the cavern and dungeon sets together, given that the base size for one is twice that of the other.

Having some cavern pieces at 2" x 2" would be a nightmare, and would remove most of the flexibility at a stroke - to be compatible with the other cavern bits, you'd usually find yourself using four 2" x 2" pieces in a square - so why bother changing the size in the first place? Not to mention that 2" square water pieces simply won't look as good - and I think that having a multitude of different sizes will draw the eye to the odd patterns they'll create, rather than the detail.
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Medieval Buildings Set, Caverns x2, Cavernous Passages, Room and Passage, Deluxe Room, Octagonal Room, Narrow Passages, Advanced Builder, Wicked Additions I, Wicked Additions II, Traps I, Traps II, lots of individual pieces. I want Cavernous Rivers, and Cavernous Lakes, and Cavernous Ledges. Can you tell that I like caverns?
 
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