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#17310
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
OK, so I've opened my lake set. Haven't had much time to PLAY with it yet, but here are some early thoughts, partially in response to other reviews I've seen.

The Lake Set strikes me as a pretty self-sufficient, i.e. only-need-one, kinda set.
Unlike the River set -- which only gave us 1 dead end piece and 3 corner pieces, hence would benefit A LOT from multiple sets -- the Lake set gives you everything you need for a big circle or a slightly smaller oval. It isn't missing anything.

More importantly, as some have pointed out, it doesn't get more ornate with more sets. The missing "reverse corner" piece means you are stuck with essentially round/elliptical lakes and cannot make elaborate, amorphous blob-type lakes -- which means that as soon as a water additions set corrects this, you still won't really need more than 1 Lake as much as you'll need the WA set. I am really happy with the lake set as it is, but I do agree it will be more flexible once the WA set comes out.

There is also the matter of the 1-all-water piece. Some people wanted BIG lakes and said, before the set shipped, that they wanted more of these, available singly. Others posted, once the sets arrived, that they needed more cavern sets to enclose the lake pieces they had. This points to something else -- the lake is BIG. Personally, I wonder how many people are now realizing that they don't need as many sets as they thought to make a huge lake... 1 gives you a darn big lake, 2 is already enough for something VAST.

Sure, multiple lake sets allow you to make ever-bigger lakes, and a few extra water pieces would be needed. But ONE set allows you to make such a big lake that, especially if combined with river elements, you can BARELY contain it! I suppose people running aquatic campaigns who really demand MASSIVE lakes are gonna need more of this, but for me, one set is already about all the room I have to spare. Heaven forbid I also want some LAND somewhere, for non-aquatic encounters! The single Lake set plus maybe a few cavern or river pieces is all I can spare, and I can't even think of enclosing it completely. It really is massive -- surprisingly so, for such a "small" set. This is a set that, with comparatively few pieces, can eat up all the gaming/display space you have to spare.

I also think the pieces themselves are more beautiful, more ornate, and more cavernous (thanks to those stalagmites) than the river pieces -- you can get in general much funkier, more organic environments out of these pieces.

So -- quick recap of my immediate impressions:

1. Less versatile than the river set.
2. One of the BIGGEST sets so far, in comparatively few pieces.
3. More beautiful than the river set.


I think it's gonna be a blast to photograph those lizardmen ambushers hiding out in the stalagmites, or to have more expansive water environments for boats and so forth.

Great, great stuff.

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#17311
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
This set is very cool. I can't wait to get it to the game room with all the other DF stuff to see just how big I can make the lake with 3 lake sets and 2 river sets. I might not have enough walls to enclose it all, but I can hardly wait to try. This set may be big and relatively flat but it still looks great and has enough depth to make the players wonder what lurks at the bottom of this dark water. Now all I need is a decent kraken figure, or maybe some shark fins, for the underground grotto.

What is this Water Additions Set I hear about? Can anyone point me to the location/discussion of this wonderous set? Will there be a waterfall? How about rapids for the river? A whirlpool? Tentacles? Hmm.... The mind reels with possibilities.

Another great set, keep it up Dwarven Forgers.

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#17312
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
DM0820

The thread you're referring to is located in the Fantasy Master Maze section and is titled "[b]If there is a waterous WA set would you include?[/b]"
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#17313
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
You're right L,

to enclose the lake many other pieces are needed.
I hope we will see a Cavernous Wall set soon. These would be a great help
to enclose the lake.
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#17314
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I just wanted to add, now that I've had more time to play around --

1) I can see where more lake sets would be nice. In particular, more of the three transitional pieces would be VERY nice, especially as long as we have no Water Addition set. Those three pieces are fun to play around with, but if you only have 1 set, you are limited in what you can do with them. (essentially, you are usually forced to use them as intended, as transitions to a river -- you can make them part of a big lake, but with very few combinations available to you -- if you had more, you could more easily incorporate them into a lake rather than into a river)

2) That WA set is REALLY going to be amazing. The Lake set is a lot of fun as it is, but it may be the first set that just triples in versatility with a new expansion. More than the Advanced Builder Set, even. Once those one- and three-corner pieces come out, we'll be able to do a TON more with this stuff -- the sky really will be the limit.

3) Again, this set is just so GORGEOUS. It blows the river out of the -- well, it's just much better than the river IMHO. The river is still nice, don't get me wrong -- but there is just so much going on with these pieces, it's amazing.

These two sets, they really do represent the pinnacle of DF for me. I know I have said that before, but this is just really outstanding stuff.

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#17315
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I agree with L's assessment. The lake set is very beautiful, and I'm glad I got three. However, it is currently less flexible than the river set. I would be a lot more flexible if a couple of more pieces became available such as the "reverse corner" piece and pieces that can be used to close of the little rock island corners. The two pieces that have a straight shore on one side and have big beautiful stalagmites each have those little corner rocks. This makes them very hard to use in a flexible way unless there are pieces that are mostly water with just a little rock in the corner to complete the four corners of the little rock island. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself correctly, but I think anyone that has tried to build stuff with this set will get what I'm referring to.
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#17316
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
The next Water Set will increase the design possibilities...just couldn't stuff all the pieces into one massive and twice as expensive set...also, it would have delayed the release of the Lake set by many months...there will be some other goodies as well besides the "single corner shore" the "triple corner shore" and the "opposing corner shores"...
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#17317
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
there will be some other goodies as well besides the "single corner shore" the "triple corner shore" and the "opposing corner shores"...
Here's an idea - how about not giving us any of these pieces. Thats right no single, opposing or triple shore corners!

Instead how about several 2" square open water and single corner only pieces. 8 x 2" single corner and 12 x 2" open water. That we be enough to make 3 single corner shores, plus one triple and one opposing. Or alternately you could make other cobinations of these and also 4 corner and 2 corner pieces that already exist.

I am sure there is a reason that caverns are on the 4" standard rather than 2" of other sets, but as these bits would almost always be fully contained inside a lake (or river) I think a small amount of 2" pieces would work fine.
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#17318
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I agree that some 2" peices are needed - land pieces. I often run into issues where my cav passages are 1/2 off and could use a 1/2 size connector...

The lake set is gorgeous - no doubt - but I perfer the river set for its vesitility (you can make lake like things with is as well...and the modular straight and curved walls are very very useful...of course the river & lake sets compliment each other and that is where they really shine. Caverns rock!
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#17319
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
But wouldn't 2" pieces throw off the design of the cavern sets? If we had 2" cavern pieces, sure, but I'd be worried that 2" water pieces would end up as orphans.

I'm really looking forward to the new pieces. Stefan, what would this set be called? Lake II? Cavernous Water Wicked Additions?
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#17320
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I meant a 2" by 4" - some of the cav pass pieces are short by 1/2 length - throwing some of my setups off - or making connections difficult/impossible. What I envision is a floor piece that is the same length but 1/2 witdth.
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#17321
Lake Set reviews 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
there will be some other goodies as well besides the "single corner shore" the "triple corner shore" and the "opposing corner shores"...
Here's an idea - how about not giving us any of these pieces. Thats right no single, opposing or triple shore corners!

Instead how about several 2" square open water and single corner only pieces. 8 x 2" single corner and 12 x 2" open water. That we be enough to make 3 single corner shores, plus one triple and one opposing. Or alternately you could make other cobinations of these and also 4 corner and 2 corner pieces that already exist.

I am sure there is a reason that caverns are on the 4" standard rather than 2" of other sets, but as these bits would almost always be fully contained inside a lake (or river) I think a small amount of 2" pieces would work fine.

Unfortunately, the larger the pieces the harder it becomes to cast them without distortions...so we will have to stick with the 4x4 size...yes, we can make smaller sizes but that opens up other design issues of course...
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