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#15427
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
Well, it just seemed odd that so many people were chattin' about this all over the place, thought I'd take a stab at centralizing the feedback in the logical place for it.

I'll kick things off with something I just noticed -- maybe you can tell this from the pics, but it didn't click with me until now. The dead end water piece, when you put the wall in place -- the rock formation stalagmite-like thing on the wall lines up well with the floor and under the water so it looks like on solid rock that is partly submerged, it just keeps going under the waterline.

That's so cool!!!!

Very neat attention to detail on this set. This set, maybe more than any of the previous ones, seems just bursting with "easter eggs," there's gonna be stuff in here that I'm still discovering months from now.

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#15428
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 2 Months ago  
I don't post much but I just got my Cavernous River and Walls sets today and I am very impressed. As L says above this set seems to be full of little surprises, like the two "fish" in one of the river sections. The walls seem to fit almost any section of river, and most "lock" into position via the small rocks on the floor pieces. The dead end piece is particularly impressive, it fits together beautifully and blends in seamlessly. I can't wiat to use these in my game this weekend.

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#15429
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Oh you would have to get all logical on us and post in the place where we SHOULD be posting! >;-}P~

You know, I didn't think of that either (the "waterfall" corner) but now that I do, it reminds me of something
I actually saw in a deep cave recently! God I love this set! ;-}~
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#15430
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Heh heh heh

I could probably have called this thread "Every ten minutes I come back and post something else," if I wanted to be REALLY honest....


Anyhoo, here's something else!

I have spent about a year, I think, gathering water-related products to use with this set. Pirates hiding booty, various water monsters, jungle plants and dinosaurs, all sorts of stuff.

Now that the set is here, I'm noticing something: I don't care about them! I really just want to keep making rivers and ponds. I have no interest in populating my caverns right now. Very little can go on the water, and I don't care about using "land" pieces. I just want rivers! So most of that stuff is sitting unused for now.

In a related area: I realize now why this set is billed as requiring the cavern set. The CRW set is actually quite complete -- the elements can make any number of completely or near-completely enclosed areas with logical connections, you don't need other sets to finish a room.

BUT -- you won't have much land! Duh, I can't believe I missed that. You will only have thin threads of coastline and that means no room for 80% of your game, or (in my case at least) room to display 90% of your minis. You need the cavern set just to give yourself a place to have STUFF happen, other than the water.

Since I am far more interested in the river right now, and could care less for the land, I am perfectly happy to leave all that other stuff out. I just want to make more water!

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#15431
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I got mine last night and looked at all of the peices, but am waitng till tonight to actually set some stuff up and take some pictures. Want to do some planing, after that i'm going to write my review of the set.

If i wrote it yesterday i would have been all gagga over the water bits...

;)
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#15432
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I've got to say, I don't think any of the pictures I've seen truly do justice for seeing these pieces in person. They are just so beautifully done. Stefan, you've raised my already high level of expectation for future sets. I can't wait to see what you tackle next. I'm definitely glad I talked myself into buying 3 of them (and picking up some cavern sets to go with them). I love how detailed the pieces are, but most of all I love that the pieces fit so well together (something that some sets have been better at than others). Now I just need to figure out how to store everything. This set might just have to live in their boxes when not in use, the small stalagmites on some of the pieces make me think I probably won't just be stacking them on a shelf. (On a side note, does anyone know if you can get a basement added to an existing house? I need somewhere to keep these objects of art on display more permanently.)

Time to start planning how to use this for when I start running games again... it must be used!

Oh and Stefan, any chance of having separate floors and walls showing up in other future sets (for other genres)? I think having the pieces separate really adds to the flexibility of a set and simplifies setup for us. I'd love to be able to set up sci-fi and dungeon settings in the same way. I guess a big question is whether there is a benefit on your side as well? (Are you able to make 'sets' with fewer unique molds, increasing the quantity produced per mold?) Of course not being involved in manufacturing I might be missing the big picture entirely.
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#15433
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Well, I now have 3 CR&W sets, 3 Cavern Sets, and 1-plus-lots-of-extra-pieces Cavernous Passages set. I have 2 Lake sets on order for August. I think I can safely say that when my next cavern adventure pops through the looking glass (where did you guys THINK I get my ideas?), my gamers WILL get wet!
Stefan, the water is awesome, the flexible walls system is inspired, and all the little details - like those cute little catfish in the water! - are excellent, as always.

We're gonna have fun!

See ya!

Jim
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#15434
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Well. I attempt to post a week or so ago when I received my CR&W set, but it didn't go through for some reason. I must say I say I was very impressed. My only negative comment is that the price is now pricing me out of the market. Even though I am now working, I can't afford to buy multiple sets of new sets at $129-$139 a set! I missed the promotion on the lake set. The code wasn't working and even though it was fixed promptly work kept me busy and I am now only able to get back here. Oh well, I guess. That and I have been suffering numerous ailments. Well, I don't think I will have a lack of DF as between us and the club we now have 31+ sets and boxes and tubs of extra pieces. Problem is as always, getting the players to have patience to us it and it only is usuable in some settings.
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#15435
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I am very happy with the Cavernous River and Walls sets I got. They are even more beautiful in person than in the preview pics. They have all kinds of flexibility for building new types of caverns. They are great.
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#15436
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Since I finally got my two CRW sets I can only say: Wow!
This is the most extraordinary impressive DF set i got into my fingers so far!
I am very curious if the upcoming mystery set can top the CRW and Lake set.

I hope that someday I can at least afford a third of this set and some individual cavern pieces, if they may become available again. But well, first I have to save some money for the DoE WA and the Mystery sets.

By the way: Did anybody notice that nifty 'hidden' detail on the bottom side of the wooden bridge so far? I am not sure if anybody allready mentioned it here.
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#15437
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I can't recall who pointed it out, but that little bridge detail has been noted...
Very cute!

I have to say, having spent time with these sets now, one major point that's well done and easy to miss is the quality of the resin itself.

I've had those arches fall onto it TONS of times. Walls have fallen onto it. Metal minis have fallen onto it! And it has not scratched, it has not chipped, nothing.

I still hope that it won't, with time, yellow or shrink etc. But for now, it's a perfectly headache-free, take-it-for-granted component of the pieces. It does not have to be handled with extra-extra-extra care, which I originally expected would be the case.

That's really great. We talk so much about how good-looking this stuff is, and how versatile, but it's CRUCIAL that it also be STURDY, and it really is. With this set in particular, that's a massive accomplishment.

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#15438
Cavernous River and Walls 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
L -

IIRC, that's the biggest reason the CR&W (and probably the CL) sets cost as much as they do; the reject rate.
Jeff or Stefan mentioned somewhere, way back in February or March, that the biggest headache they had was QC on the water. NOW we know why!
And you're right; this set and it's durability IS a massive accomplishment.
HATS OFF to DF!!

See ya!

Jim
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