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#41673
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
I've been scarce due to my own budget issues but was getting excited about the new sets being worked on.

Coming back to see an increase of 20% is discouraging, to say the least!!

I appreciate the heads-up but I think such a large increase is not a good idea in this economy. Just the amount, for such a niche product, conveys a sense of desperation. Not a good thing for a new consumer that MAY want to begin long-term collecting and is given the impression that the company is on shaky ground. Additionally, while no one argues that Dwarven Forge is The Best out there, it is also recognized that it is the most expensive and that already prohibits many from purchasing. Rather than make the product more "elite" by raising the cost so much, why not look at a business model that is designed to increase sales volume? Especially since there are other, cheaper competitors vying for your cuustomers?

One other point, having so much out of stock at any given time isn't helping public perception, either.

Sorry to be negative but a 20% increase is just too much at once. It would be better to stage it over the course of 6 months or so.
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#41674
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
My 2 Cents: Sort out the international shipping cost (there must be a way to do it cheaper!) and you could substantially boost your overseas market, even with a 20% price increase.

Other americans appear to be able to sell the stuff second hand on e bay and manage to ship to Europe at half the shipping cost that DF charges?

I hope the strategy works but I echo this is a risk for the majority of gamers who are finding their disposable incomes shrinking at the moment.

Good luck anyway, I want to see you guys staying in business!!!!

Dave
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#41675
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
That's a pity, will limit the number of new sets I get, though with European shipping costs (and lack of APO option) I mainly get off ebay anyway. It won't dissuade me from buying the odd set, but I worry that it makes DF an even more niche/"luxury" gaming item, limiting new collectors.

Ah well, good luck nonetheless...
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#41676
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
Thank you all for your feedback on the coming price increases. Most of the increases are going to happen to our older and lower cost sets -- like the Room Set as well as the Room and Passage Set. Most of the newer sets have already been pumped up a bit due to their more recent manufacturing.

The two biggest factors at work here is the falling dollar and the cost of labor -- of which we can really do nothing about. On future sets we will try very hard to keep the price ceiling at $149 if possible.

Thank you for your past support and your feedback.
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#41677
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
It's a joke?
Sorry but do you Know for european costumer it's already very expensive because the post cost and the border taxe are very expensive???
What do you want? That DF Die???

At first you order from china to cast and paint and package your model to give a big marge on your business, what else???

I don't understand your politic from the begining, why, if you want to win more money you don't distribute Df to Europe?

So for me now DF is finish...
Good luck for the future...
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#41678
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
Thanks for the information and the heads-up Jeff! I will keep supporting DF as the product is of unmatched quality. I would spend much more than this were I to try to do it myself - both in money and time!

I also think of purchasing DF as supporting Stefan, rather like a patron of the arts. 8-).

Do you know if the price increase will be occuring to the Cavern as well as Sci-fi sets?

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#41679
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
The realities of the dollar going down the toilet. I feel lucky that I'm paid in yen.

Have you guys considered letting other factories (in China or elsewhere) bid on your manufacturing business? A lot of this could be done by email and post without the need to get someone on site until some strong candidates have been identified. You could get the ball rolling by sending samples along with your costs to a number of places and let the bidding commence.

Anyways, I'm sticking with DF. It's expensive but it's the best. It's natural that those two go together.
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#41680
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
Uhg. This price increase puts me out of any new purchases, mostly due to the need for multiple sets to build anything playable. I'll have to stick with what I have. :(
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#41681
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
I'm so Sorry about the price increases...it won't be so drastic as we all fear I promise...
the reality is, prices have gone up since 1996 little by little perhaps imperceptively...for most of you, it won't hurt too much as the biggest raises will be with the Room and Passage Set and the Room Set, two sets most here already have in their collection. Here in America, we are luckyier than our fellow europeans who although they get a great deal because of the low dollar, they are hit with astronomical duty fees, taxes, and overseas shipping...this is a problen we continue to try to resolve...so for our european collectors, there is hope actually of lower overall costs...we need to roll perhaps a 16 or above at GenCon!

Bottom line is, we may raise prices $5 or $10 on some of the other Sets...

One thing we will never compromise on is quality. We won't cut corners to lower our costs, that I can promise. We will continue to push the envelope and create the koolest gaming stuff in the universe, we will continue to work with the best sculptors and minds in the industry in order to deliver the uncompomising goodness on the top platue...

At this moment I am in France working with the incredibly talented team of Olivier and Sandrine on some really kool DF goodness for early 2012...there are some very exciting creations in the works! Casey in Indiana has knocked it out of the park, while Sandra Garrity continues to deliver the finest works in the industry...

As for Jeff, sometimes he is grumpy cause he has never gotten a raise since I hired him many years ago and has never asked for one, instead, he often says how happy and lucky he is, he is a real trooper...

As for Myself, Life has tried and tried to knock me down these past few years but somehow I arise.... nosferatu like and endure...endure to create, once again...the economy and the factory costs, shipping costs throw blows at us, but they haven't counted on our feverish constitution and endurance...
Once again the Gen Con Convention calls...looking forward to meeting all of you in Indy, rubbing shoulders and raising a beer on my tab:)
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#41682
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
Stefan wrote:
Once again the Gen Con Convention calls...looking forward to meeting all of you in Indy, rubbing shoulders and raising a beer on my tab:)


Indeed - except it will be on my tab for you & Jeff!

Thanks for the words Stefan. We will continue to struggle right along with you, and feed our addiction to your incredible artistic gaming excellence, by hook or by crook! We've traveled the bumpy road with you this far and will continue to do so, each in our own way and to our own ability!

Come on 16 or higher!!!
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#41683
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
About french fans, our community is going to reduce the purchases & some of us will unfortunately stop buying DF.
Indeed our community was dramatically reduced with the first price increase so no need to talk about new customer possibility here after this announce.
Some of us will explain what I'm going to write below to Stefan tomorrow.
I've called the douan office to be precise and clear.
So here we go :

Example 1 :

CAVERN SET :
Price : 139 dollars/140
Postage & package to France : 60 dollars (50 for a 89$ set)
Total : 200$
Change in € : 138.975 EUR
Douan Limit : 106€
Order price > 106€ -> douan tax
Douan tax details :
26€ file issue
VAT 19.6% on the total price : 27,44€
Final price : 138 + 27,44 + 26 = 191.44€ for ONE set !!

CAVERN SET +20% :
Price : 168 dollars
Postage & package to France : 60 dollars (50 for a 89$ set)
Total : 228$
Change in € : 158.432 EUR
Douan Limit : 106€
Order price > 106€ -> douan tax
Douan tax details :
26€ file issue
VAT 19.6% on the total price : 31.05€
Final price : 168 + 31.05 + 26 = 225.05€ for ONE set !!
A increase of 35€
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Example 2
Last HeroQuestFrance order :
Ruins Set

MM-037 $89.00 $89.00
SubTotal : $89.00
Shipping and Handling Fee : $48.20
Tax Total : $0.00
Total: $137.20
€uro change : 95.3373 EUR
Order price < 106€ -> douan tax= NO !
Final price : 106€

Now the same with 20% increase :
Ruins Set

MM-037 106.80$
SubTotal : $106.80$
Shipping and Handling Fee : $48.20
Tax Total : $0.00
Total: $155
€uro change : 107.706 EUR
Order price > 106€ -> douan tax= YES !
Douan tax details :
26€ file issue
VAT 19.6% on the total price : 21.11€
Final price : 107.706 + 21.11 + 26 = 154.81€ for this sets now !!
A increase of +50€ !

Most of the single set orders not taxed are going to be out of reach now.
A huge barrier to new customers we're not lying about real costs.
No need to think about a "3 sets offer" to get a exclusive bonus, it won't justify the fact fan who pays it will have difficulties to sell the unwanted sets even on ebay. (he will want the same price he had to pay for it)
Some fans hardly spent some years to sell their additional sets.

We know it's high quality stuff but we already have alternative solutions with Morgar, Thomarillion & even Hist arts and many other products casted in resin.

It's also sad to say -I know- but we cannot even think about a group order since we can't escape to douan tax in a such case.
(+ postage & package to each fan from the arrival point)

To conclude, 3 things.
-> the situation would be better with a european distributor
-> Zot had also suggested something very interesting.
I have launched a announce and been contacted by a dozen of factories when I was working for special hygiegnic sockets to play bowling, ice arena etc.
So I think it's may be possible to DF too to deal with other factories.
-> should DF move to Europe -the land of medieval history- and heroic fantasy legends & public/customers ?

Well, I dunno if other european fans started to make counts about future final costs but I guess the situation will be uniform.
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#41685
Re:Price Increase Coming in August... 3 Years, 2 Months ago  
i am ok with heroquestfrance on all the line
and yes,
why do not having a shop iin Europe?
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