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#31030
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
Remember that the only other price increase was ten dollars after ten years; this bump makes it thirty dollars in eleven or twelve years -- three percent per year is GLACIAL compared to other products. Reduce your orders according to your finances, or order less frequently while you save up the extra money you need to order enough sets to make the shipping worthwhile, but let's not abandon ship and blame it on a relatively small increase in price.

And just for perspective -- soda and candy prices have increased more than this in the past year.

You probably just provided the best example here.

Not the price increase of DF stuff per-say but the price increase of EVERYTHING else compounded on top of the DF price increase has probably pulled the rug out from everybody else.

Plus just because $20 is equal to 15 Euros does not mean that is the amount people pay in Europe. Customs sounds like it increases the cost by quite a bit. SO I would assume from what has been said that a 15 Euro increase is more like a 30 Euro increase after it is said and done.

And do not forget that UPS is raising there shipping cost as well starting 2009. (I do not know the amount it is going up but know that my UPS portal, have a job right now with them, has said there is a price increase.) Yet another increase to deal with.

OH yea $30 over 11 to 12 years is one way to look at it. Another is a $30 increase in two years....I understand where they are coming from and appreciate it. In fact would of still been in the running for purchases if it wasn't for more recent events with family.

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#31031
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Yup - prices are goin up on everything, which is why they are going up on DF stuff too. Shouldn't really be that startling or unexpected then. As Jack says, people will do what they want with their disposable income, as they have always done.

However, the sub-text that the price increase is somehow Dwarven Forge's FAULT is kinda silly don't you think?
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#31032
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
Hey everyone has different considerations. If folks - and in particular here folks from Europe/overseas - are turned away by price increases and other cost concerns - well they should express it as they are - thats just reality - and fully understandable. I suspect that many folks don't fully understand just how tight discretionary $ might be in the next few years - and how many folks may lose jobs altogether. I certainly hope it doesn't come to this - but it is a very real possibility. What this is/may show - is just how fragile our economy/economies really is/are - and maybe we might be a little more apreciate and thankful for what we've got. I don't mean to be a chicken little or such - but we are flirting with real disaster here. All of that being said - I suspect much of the short term overseas anxiety about DF price increases and such is a s much to do with the recent strength of the dollar compared to the Euro as it is anything else. Perhaps when this readjusts back (as it most likely will....unfortunatly) - stuff from the states will look/be cheap again.
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#31033
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
I think, due to this current global economic down-turn, we are all forced to reevaluate our "mad money" expenditures. We just don't have it to spend on "extras".

It's a time for tightening belts and difficult decisions. The cost of EVERYTHING has gone up dramatically ... who's salary has increased at the same pace? Not mine, that's for sure. I'll be happy if I don't get laid-off in the next year.

Make smart decisions now to avoid more problems down the road. But don't blame Dwarven Forge for facing the same economic burdens that we are all experiencing. It certainly isn't Dwarven Forge's fault. They're doing what they can to stay viable and take care of their families as much as we are.


I do agree, however, that the added shipping and customs costs our overseas friends face just adds to their burdens and, unfortunately, forces their hands that much sooner into making the difficult decision to drop the expense of DF product.
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#31034
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
northman Sean, I know and understand where you're coming from, and it's an entirely different angle from others here.

David W., talk with Thod. he and I may be able to work something out for you; let me check with MY shipper here, and find out how bad the slow-boat to Liverpool has gotten per pound (16 ounces, not sterling), and if there is a price break.
I make no promises, except that IF you and Thod are interested, I will do the research. Thod knows my reputation, and all I ask is reimbursement for my expenses, i.e., what it costs ME to ship it to you - Hell, I don't even charge for the gas to take the stuff up to the shipper, since it's right next to my pharmacist! Well, two doors away.
Keep in mind that I do NOT pay Customs - your fight with your National Extortionists is YOUR problem - we have enough problems with OURS. Just as, if/when you send something to me, I'M stuck with the Customs Fees HERE.
Let me know; Thod has my private e-mail address.
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#31035
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
To be more precize because I think some people didn't understand our point of view :

20% up for one set is a little fee,we're ready to pay it.
But as you already know prices for postage & package is too high to buy one set.
Until right now we (europeans) used to buy a minimum of 4 sets. (one big DF package)
[check the international fees topic for those who missed it]

Unfortunately 4 sets = 4 times more % on the final price,the final price on which the tax is on.
According to a basic order of 4 basic sets final result from 156€ of douane tax on a 4 set package we reach now 226€ ! (thanks to the post officer who gave me the price listing yesterday by the way)

I'm agree with Lord A.
Good luck to DF anyway.

Bonne continuation !
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#31036
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
A twenty dollar increase per set is not the end of the world, and the shipping is not being affected by the price increase.

If my math is correct, twenty dollars is about twelve euros. Now everyone is free to have their own spending limits and comfort thresholds, but a fifteen percent increase doesn't seem like the disaster we're making it out to be.

It's a couple of pizzas. It's four movie rentals, or three game rentals. It's a single DVD. It's a movie and snacks. We can manage, we just have to make some choices.

Now, if your finances are so tight that twenty bucks is the difference between paying your phone bill and buying DF, then the phone bill wins. Real life must always take precedence. But if your finances are this tight (as mine have been) then you shouldn't be buying luxury items to begin with (as I didn't) until your situation improves.

As for "the end of the adventure", it would be if DF DIDN'T raise their prices. There is a point at which it is no longer possible to produce something at the price it is being sold for, especially when production and distribution costs are going up. We have clearly reached that point. Without the price increase, there can be no more shipments, no more new products. Unless Stefan and Jeff use all the extra piles of cash they have lying around to subsidize our purchases.

Remember that the only other price increase was ten dollars after ten years; this bump makes it thirty dollars in eleven or twelve years -- three percent per year is GLACIAL compared to other products. Reduce your orders according to your finances, or order less frequently while you save up the extra money you need to order enough sets to make the shipping worthwhile, but let's not abandon ship and blame it on a relatively small increase in price.

And just for perspective -- soda and candy prices have increased more than this in the past year.

Dear jackattack

Sorry for for this problem of understanding. I would say that 30$ increase by set + high shipping (130-160$) + 19.6% custom = minimum ( for 3 sets) 390$+130=520$ + custom 80$ =>600$ (500€) Yesterday for 390$, I could have 4 sets. Tomorrow, I only 3.....

Of course this my pb, but now, for me, 500€ is a very big order.

You said : "soda and candy prices have increased more than this in the past year" Unfortunely ...i agree with you, and 30$ is a small increase.

All dreams have a price, and i understand your reaction, i understand jeff and stefan, but my dream, my passion now costs too expensive ! I'm still a fan of DF, but I don't buy (with my friends) 15-20 sets per year. I think that is important to say at stefan, and jeff what I can do and what I can't do.

Thanks for your reply jackattack

soon

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#31037
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
Seems to me that all you European folks should consolidate your order into one big one. I assume that the import taxes are on an EU basis and not country by country?

Either that, or is there a way that one of the vendors at the European Cons can sell some?
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#31038
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As for "the end of the adventure", it would be if DF DIDN'T raise their prices. There is a point at which it is no longer possible to produce something at the price it is being sold for, especially when production and distribution costs are going up. We have clearly reached that point. Without the price increase, there can be no more shipments, no more new products. Unless Stefan and Jeff use all the extra piles of cash they have lying around to subsidize our purchases.

Remember that the only other price increase was ten dollars after ten years; this bump makes it thirty dollars in eleven or twelve years -- three percent per year is GLACIAL compared to other products. Reduce your orders according to your finances, or order less frequently while you save up the extra money you need to order enough sets to make the shipping worthwhile, but let's not abandon ship and blame it on a relatively small increase in price.

Just a couple of points... (and this is NOT meant as an attack)

In regards to your first comment; How do you know this? How do you know how profitable DF is? How do you know they can not make new products without raising their prices?
There also comes a point where the price is too high and people can no longer afford/ justify the product.

Unfortunately, for international shippers the only way to "lower the cost per set" is to order a larger quantity as the shipping is marginally more for 5 sets vs 1 set. This is why distributors exist all over the world. If US purchasers had to pay $200+ per set (like many international customers have to) how many of you would still buy DF in the same frequency or quantity? I'm not saying DF is responsible for international shipping rates, but I am perplexed at their lack of action in regards to this. For YEARS, this forum has been full of posts from international customers getting KILLED by shipping fees. I just spoke to a European terrain manufacturer last week and they lower their prices for US and Canadian customers. DF seem to be ADDING an additional "processing" fee! On Ebay this is regarded as "Shipper Gouging" and is now a "reportable offense" (for lack of a better term). You can say it's not DF, it's their "processing center" but really, they are a "representative" of the DF company. If the "processing center" charges a higher fee for processing international shipments, find a new processing center.

Some of you may say, alright BLAST, put your "money where your mouth is" and I have. A few weeks ago, I emailed DF with a risk-free proposal to help get DF into Canada in a more economical fashion. I did not even get the courtesy of a response.... Very disappointing.

Now, I don't want this post to sound like a DF bashing. I love their products. I REALLY do. Everyone on here does, that is why we are so passionate about trying to get them. I love the forum. I love the mapping software. I love the enthusiasm that surrounds DF, but I really think Stefan and Jeff have to "wake up" and listen to their non-US customers if they want to keep them and grow their business. And, if it is not economically viable for them to do anything, so be it. Ultimately it is their choice on how to run the company and our choice on where to spend our dollars.

I hope you take this post not as an attack, but rather a desperate PLEA for action.

BLAST

PS: And if I get banned for posting this, I just want to say THANKS to everyone on here that makes DF such a COOL product!!!
-I will still be able to "view" the forums right? :-)
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#31039
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I do not see why you would be banned. Or at least you shouldn't.

Plus in my earlier post Jackattack I wasn't attacking DF I was just stating facts. I also didn't see any one else attack DF as well. Sorry you missed understood.

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#31040
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Thanks Blast for this explication ! Your english is better than mine. This is what i want to say !

Soon

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#31041
Price Increase Coming Jan. 1st, 2009 6 Years ago  
I just started playing with and collecting Dwarven Forge stuff. I even asked on how it would be able to import as a distributor (or kind of) and just got the reply that a container would have to be imported, others way wouldn't be possible. On asking of more details I got no further response. Seeing the price increase for the next year and not knowing about the possible "benefit" of imporing a huge mass of DF stuff while not knowing more exact amounts I am also thinking of dropping the whole case. Sad, as I already got possible warehouse options as well as a partner for handling the germanywide shipping (even european wide in the future).

I understand the causes for the increase, I understand the decision not to distribute (because of keeping the overall prices down), but as many people mentioned above it keeps us europeans of the line. Sorry to say so, as I really like the products and I am happy to use them.

Sincerely,
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