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How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 10 Months ago  
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#47978
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
It will affect the 3D terrain market in the same way as high quality printers have affected sales of books.

Material is too expensive
It is to time consuming
The finish is more as just a print (paint, felt, etc.)

I just checked approx prices:
1 Kg material at the moment is around £30 average
The room set is £85 and 3 kg

So you would have to spend the same amount for material alone.

There might be niche areas where it's worthwhile. Accessory that is lite, small and simple to finish. I've followed 3d printing. There will be someone eventually offering items printed and not cast. But they won't be cheap.

And I can't see many people producing their own.

Their always will be some - like people now making their own. But in the end it is difficult to compete with 'mass production' - not that 3D terrain truly reaches that level.
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#47979
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
What about for design and prototypes?

The printing materials might not be suitable for the table, but could they be used to form an initial mold, from which actual products could then be cast?
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Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
First prices for a 3d printer is about 400€.
It went down in 2 years of 200€. It's long and the free program given with the printer isn't very useful.
For example if you want to modify the 3d scan, you need another program you have to pay.
I think in 10 years everyone will have one or will have access to a shop with a 3d printer.

It will be excellent to copy minis or as you just said to use the 3d scan like a base and to modify each piece as you wish.
For instance, if you know HeroQuest, here's a guy who used it very well to copy the furniture of the basic box made in plastic & cardboard :













It came unpainted andhe spent some hours to change some details and add "3d" on the shelves and many details.
However, the resin is expensive so no worry about DF line which is coming fully painted.
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#47983
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I think for terrain there won't be too much of an effect apart from some accessories, furniture, etc.

As for minis, I think you'll see people just finding what suits them- people with CAD know-how may make their own minis to paint, others ignoring it altogether. What I would love to see is someone offering up different main body sculpts (running the gamut of typical humanoid races) that you can put into different poses, add items like weapons, amulets, shield, etc and place your order for your own custom mini. It would likely be expensive, but I think that would be a cool option for players to have their character depicted the way they imagine them. The could even order them in different poses (war stance, parley/peaceful, prone, mounted, etc).
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#47991
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I don't think it'll change much for the moment.....

As the technology improves and the detail becomes better and the raw materials come down in price..... Who knows where we'll be in 10 years?

The fact that DF comes pre painted means it will be a looong time before Stefan and Jeff have to worry, methinks.

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#47992
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
Hypothetically, if you look at a few videos of 3D printing, you will learn that painting such pieces would not be necessary anymore! The resin being used would be itself made of several different colors during the "printing" process! My take on this, it will change many manufacturing habits (for professionals and amateurs) in the future (not sure when).
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#47993
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
Nothing beats the human touch...I'm old school...
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#47996
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
I have no actual agenda here. I like classic hand-drawn animation and I like computer animation. Both can be done very well, and both can be done very badly. Both require a great deal of skill and dedication. But I have to acknowledge that the new technique has had a significant impact on the original, and that the original technique continues to mold and influence the new.

The boards have been a little slow, and I think this is an interesting topic that will come up sooner or later.

I remember that when CD burners first became commercially available they cost $20,000. A very few years later they were standard on every new computer. High-end printers and cheap binding techniques didn't result in home publishing houses, but they did coincide with a surge in "self-published" novels that were printed in small shops. (I once had the crappy job of making customized children's storybooks while-you-wait at a warehouse store.) And you can read books on a screen -- you can't paint a miniature on screen or put a file on a megamat to do battle.

I agree with granpappy77. I think someone will eventually set up a shop, and come up with a set of elements that gamers can use to create and order customized figures. It might be something like HeroMachine with a limited number of elements that a customer can select from, or a shop that will print anything you can create in your own autocad program. They might be expensive, but people on these very boards have commissioned original miniatures, so the money is definitely there.

I can also see these being used to "back up" miniatures. Who hasn't had a favorite mini ruined when the sword broke off, or lost a mini that is no longer in production and can't be replaced? If you can scan it, you can reproduce it. And old "lost" product lines might be restored by scanning and printing a new master.

Which brings up issues of production and distribution, intellectual property, and use rights. Can I make a backup scan of a miniature the same way I back up my e-books? Can I make a personal-use copy of a mini the same way I used to make tapes of LPs?

There's a lot of potential and a lot of potential pitfalls.
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#48007
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
Good for prototyping, no more. You can't expect to make DF pieces one by one. It would cost too much.

The only way it could be "viable" is to make on piece, mold it and then cast it in high strenght plaster. But even then, the cost of molding material, plaster, time and pait job would exceed the cost if buying DF.

Unless the 3D Printing quality goes very high, and the price very low, DF is not in any danger soon.
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#48027
Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
This is a very interesting method of creating miniature components. I was blown away by the HeroQuest furniture pieces (above), as an old fan of that game it really brought me back for a minute. :)

I'd like to know more about 3D printing, though I agree old school methods will never die, there will always be the beauty and skill of the human touch.
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Re:How Will 3D Printing Affect Miniatures & Terrain? 1 Year, 9 Months ago  
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