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#36937
Entertainment and Ethics 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
Serious questions:

At what point does an entertainer's personal conduct become sufficient to justify boycotting them?
If an entertainer does something that is morally repugnant to you, are you then morally obligated to stop listening to or watching their performances?

What if they are penalized for their conduct (sent to jail) or appear to reform?
Is there a "grandfather clause"? Is everything they did before they offended is okay, but everything after isn't?

Should an entertainer's personal life be held completely separate from their professional life?
Is this entirely subject, personal, and individual?
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#36938
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Is this entirely subject, personal, and individual?
IMHO, yes.
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#36939
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Of whom do you speak?
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#36940
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I'm not fonda Hanoi Jane. Anyone else come to mind?

Honestly, I think it's a personal choice. You can boycott Roman Polanski films, or the Dixie Chicks, or whomever you please. One of the freedoms we enjoy is to vote with our wallets. We can support or boycott whomever we please.
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#36941
Entertainment and Ethics 4 Years, 11 Months ago  
I'm not talking about politics, I'm talking about actual criminal conduct that leads to prosecution (if not conviction).

I guess a better question is, does knowing that the person who made a beautiful song or a great movie is a ________ diminish the artistic value of the song or movie?

Here's an extreme hypothetical: If Adolph Hitler had painted the Mona Lisa when he was seventeen, would the Mona Lisa still be a great work of art?
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#36942
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It would still be a great work of art and the man would still be a monster. The problem appears if you want to admire the artistic work and believe that you also have to love the artist. You don't. The big question is rather this - do you want to promote the artist by buying the works when you hate his/her actions? During the seventies I listened to Gary Glitter a lot - I still have two of his LP's in my collection, but I'm not trading them for cd's like I've done for a lot of other records, and I've decided I'm not going to do that, even if I would get the chance. I can't even listen to them anymore. And I really don't want to contribute to his income because of his sexual preferences - children. Same thing with someone like Polanski - is this the one you're thinking of?
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#36943
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How about Michael Jackson when he was accused of inappropriate behavior with a child(ren)? Did his fans stop buying his music? Were his previous achievements nullified because of these accusations?

Definitely a personal decision and one I'm glad I can make on my own becuase I live in a "Free" society.
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#36944
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Its a tough question and its one I sometimes find myself pondering as well. In the case of MJ, I did not buy any of his music b/c he was a kid-toucher (albeit never convicted). Now that he's passed on, I would be ok with purchasing the music b/c a)he won't be benefitting from it and b)none of his songs (that I know of) go anywhere near that subject matter. Not that I'm a big MJ guy (I'm pretty much a punk) but you can't deny how catchy "ABC" is.

I think a good barometer is whether ayou can forgive them for their crime/transgression and if you can't, will they benefit at all from your patronage?
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#36945
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I'm not convinced that MJ actually touched either of the two kids. I think it's possible he was trying to pretend he was a kid himself, and the sleeping arrangements were part of that fantasy, like a sleep-over. Still incredibly bad judgement, and potentially damaging to the children involved, but not actually sexual abuse. However, I did wrestle with buying the only two MJ songs I have -- Thriller and Ben. In the end, my doubts about the veracity of the charges and the amount of time between the original recordings and the alleged incidents was enough to sway me to buy them.

I was about to add "Desert Rose" to my iPod and found out that Cheb Mami, the Algerian singer who recorded the song with Sting back in 2000, was convicted this year of detaining his ex-girlfriend at a private residence in Algeria, drugging her, and having someone perform an unwanted (by her) abortion (which failed -- she was still pregnant when she returned to France) in 2005. I readily admit that my disgust at this incident dovetails with a friend's negative experience with another Algerian, and some other issues that I'm working on, but I think that an objective observer would agree that kidnapping a woman to forcibly abort a pregnancy he was half responsible for is absolutely repugnant, and had the potential to turn into at least one count of manslaughter or worse.

So knowing that (being proven in a court of law), I'm trying to figure out if I can divorce my enjoyment of the song from my revulsion for the performer. (One of them, anyway -- as far as I know, Sting is a great guy.)
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#36946
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Our perception of a crime is, in my honest opinion, sometimes irrespective of the truth. Unfortunately, once someone is "accused" of a haneous act the seeds of doubt have been planted and regardless of the outcome (dismissed, court imposed sentence, or settled out-of-court) it will be almost impossible to change public opinion -- those that think guilty/innocent will still think the same way. How many people still think OJ Simpson is innocent/guilty...even after the books he wrote!!! There are people still sitting on both sides of the fence regarding his involvement even after ~15+ some odd years!

IMHO
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#36947
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This has always facinated me.

I can admire and enjoy great art, no matter by whom made. But actually contributing to the income of a criminal - or even someone whose ethics or politics I disapprove of - is something I prefer not to do. I will not pay to watch a Polanski move. I do not buy anything associated with Jane Fonda (who isn't a great artist anyway, IMHO). I won't buy Dixie Chicks discs. But I don't turn off the radio if the Chicks come on, and I would not leave the room if a friend showed a Polanski movie.

The point being that I don't want to contribute from my wallet to the well-being of someone whose actions or ethics is disapprove of.

As pointed out below, this is one of the freedoms we have

Gaming is of interest in that way too. I think some people act out in games fantasies they are afraid to do in real life (others, of course, just like doing weird stuff!).
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#36948
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I refuse to have anything to do with Vampire: the Masquerade ever since I saw blood-fetish art prints being advertised in a gaming magazine.
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