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#19222
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Well Jeff, I had an "interesting" day at work, all preventable and courtesy of you and Dwarven Forge.

At the place I work at, as pursuient to regulations for one's continued employment there, we undergo regularly scheduled psych evals to make sure that the stress of our job is not degrading our mental soundness.
Only when something odd occurs while at work, in the field or rarely, at home, does an unscheduled evaluation occur.
These unscheduled evaluations and what prompts them is permanently recorded in one's fitness report.
In other words, if anything out of character occurs and/or is noticed and I do mean ANYTHING, one of these evals occurs!

I received an interesting summons to the office my supervisor's supervisor today at 12:30 local.
I wondered what had gone wrong somewhere that I had to be paged to there; these feelings were further heightened when I was just waved right on in to the office when I arrived.
The meeting was NOT at all what I thought it might be.
I found myself seated in front of this lady (boss' boss), the operations manager (my boss), the main unit psychologist and the communications manager (was there because the issue came in through his people).
Fortunately, the head-thumper (I can make such disparaging remarks - two of my degrees are in psych) at least noticed my confusion right away concerning the issue that I was asked about it before I had any idea concerning what it was and that counted in my favor when it was all over after two and a half hours of grilling and tests.

You see I received a certain post-card, one I am sure most of you have received as well, at one of my contact addresses, the one I have listed with Dwarven Forge only for a secure place to ship parcels.
The office and facility communications managers at the facility, as they are supposed to do, examined the card, saw the inconsistencies of it with my "apparent" personality, and reported the conspicuous psych profile contradiction to the proper persons.
Therefore today's fun occurred.

Jeff, in the future, if Dwarven Forge plans any future mailings like that, y'all might want to notify folks that you are going to do so in the event that the mailing may not be wise for them to receive or even needed.
As a matter of fact, I just do not understand why the Dwarven Forge WEB page is not enough for this one-on-one advertising.
Such unsolicited mailings CAN have NEGATIVE impact on people's employment and/or home life.
Thanks to this one card, I will most likely be stuck "inside" for the rest of the year with absolutely no field work opportunities and therefore field pay, unless a severe crisis occurs that is right up my specialties, because my mental capability and soundness is under question due to the conflict between my recorded character and the content of said post-card.
Thank goodness my wife got a raise at work recently; Christmas gifts among other matters would have gotten quite interesting other wise.

Jeff, why was good money spent on a mailing for a specialty set where my order history indicates absolutely no interest in that specialty set?

I am publically asking you Jeff in case that there are others out there that may have also suffered difficulties due to the unsolicitated mailing that would not say anything otherwise and hope that this posting may give them the courage to say at least, "Me too!"
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#19223
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
RF, I'm really sorry to hear that the postcard generated problems for you at your work. Personally, I was rather glad to see the card (mine came to my home), so I could show it to my wife.

I know there are people out there with little or no real understanding of what gaming is, and have only the urban legends of cultists in sewers sacrificing goats. I'm really sorry that your company is staffed by such folks.

Fortunately, I know from your numerous posts that you are an able communicator, and I would hope that you could quickly dispel any bizarre notions that they may have gotten from the postcard. In your shoes, I would have simply explained it as, "miniatures battle scenery, usable in tabletop games."

Just liken it to Stratego and Risk (always use Milton Bradley examples so they can relate), just a bit more complex. If they mention roleplaying games, or Dungeons & Dragons specifically, you can always shrug and say, "Well, it is a little nerdy, but that's about all."

I used to use my place of work for my shipments as well, for the same reason - security against theft. My employers knew I was a gamer, and while I'm sure they may have thought it odd, they didn't care in the slightest. I also had my shipments from the Cutlery Shoppe sent there, and proudly displayed my latest sticky-pokey when it arrived.

I would occasionally get fliers for gaming conventions at work, and some fliers from Dwarven Forge. I didn't worry about it in the least, but I suppose that if a person had some reason to want to avoid any mailings at a particular address, he could send an email to Jeff asking him to put that address as "off limits" to mailings.

Again, I'm sorry that your employers have gotten bizarre ideas out of this. I'm sure that Jeff and the rest at Dwarven Forge had no intention of stirring anything up. Best of luck to you with your work.
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#19224
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Hey RF,

I think I can understand your anger from what happened to you. Still...

I can't even imagine what kind of employer that is (and it seems you don't want to tell, which is ok), when a postcard from a toy manufacturer can cause a check for psychological health and other serious consequences.

But still it is *you* who is working there, so *you* should then be best informed about such unusual codes of conduct for the employees and still *you* gave their adress to DF for shipping stuff there, so I really don't think you should blame them for actually sending something there.

I don't like spam or other kinds of unexpected advertising either. But sending some advertising to existing customers who never mentioned explicit that they don't want to receive any advertising is just normal conduct for companies (except adult stores maybe) and perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

Remember, DF does not make any stuff that would need "discrete packaging", so how should they ever have known that you are working at a place that is somehow very different?

Another thing that bothers me is that something seems to be strange. I see three standards involved here:

1. The expectations that your employer seems to have regarding his employees (for whatever reasons)
2. Your psychological profile data in your company (however it has been measured)
3. Your own real personality, private life and character (that you should know best yourself)

Now if a part of your real private life (playing with DF) can actually cause such a serious mismatch between the three, at least one of them has to be awfully wrong. I don't want to judge which one that is, but still, this is not DF's fault.

So in the end I really feel pity for you having to work at such a place and getting serious problems because of a silly postcard from a toy company. Best wishes from me.

bye
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#19225
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Good God! Your Psych eval/profile is "at odds" with receiving a promo card from a toy company?
I'm a psychologist - I would like to know what profile they are using?

Can you 'appeal' (sounds like the sort of line of work you're in doesn't have a union?)
Good luck, anyway.

Dave
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#19226
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
As for "I just don't understand why the Dwarven Forge WEB page is not enough for this one-on-one advertising," not every customer regularly checks the web page or the forum. Dwarven Forge has run some special deals that were available for a limited time, and some people only found out about it too late to take advantage of it.

Dwarven Forge is a company that produces a product for a targeted market - us. That they take such pains to communicate their new products and special offers is to their credit. The fliers were printed on quality cardstock, and it is only my current financial restrictions that has stopped me from taking full advantage of the pre-order special for DOE Wicked Additions.

Even in the Bible belt, receiving a flier from a manufacturer of game terrain shouldn't provoke a psych evaluation, nor merit the kind of intense scrutiny that you've received. I don't want to make any accusations or assumptions, but perhaps you should be asking yourself what else has been happening to warrant that kind of concern from your employers. Your employers may have been interpreting comments or perceived attitude in a way that has them concerned.

Wargames and roleplaying games may be a bit nerdy, but they're not cause for alarm.
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#19227
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
RF* -

I do believe you need to tell Secretary Chertoff that you really AREN'T a terr-type person.
Well, okay, maybe not Mikey boy; but SOMEONE inside the Beltway has serious problem's with personal leisure time and what we do with it.

This time, I gotta come down on DF's side; yes, I got the card, too; NO, I didn't want it, but mass-mailing companies do NOT differentiate between targets. Once a customer/client gives the mailer a list, that mailer will blitz EVERYONE, and only a VERY cooperative postal carrier can help you. This our wonderful US Postal Circus, and our beautiful Madison Avenue-ruled economy, are to blame on this one.

However, I DO agree that DF didn't need to waste the money on the mailer, in the first place. The cards went to current and previous DF customers, and WE already knew about the deal! If we are going to buy the set, we already know about it, and either our order is in, or we're waiting for the paycheck.

Jeff, you KNOW how often I defend DF, here and elsewhere; but, sorry, this time, I think you blew it.

RF*, it is incumbent on YOU to let DF know about special difficulties with your mail receipt; it is also incumbent upon YOU to gently, politely, but firmly tell your employer (in such a way that they REMAIN your employer, if you so choose) that the U.S. Postal Service is 'keep your fingers OUT!' unless they have a FEDERAL COURT ORDER to intercept/edit/censor/OPEN your mail. To do otherwise is a FEDERAL FELONY, punishable up to 5 years and $50K. EVEN if they ARE a Federal agency, it still goes. The ONLY thing they can legally do to you is inform you that you may no longer receive personal mail at your work address, on pain of termination of employment. That, they have a prefect legal right to do.

Hope I didn't hurt your wrist with that slap, but truth is as truth tells itself. Sorry, guy.

See ya!

Jim
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#19228
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
"EVEN if they ARE a Federal agency, it still goes."

That is not entirely true, as it does not apply to *ALL* government agencies. For instance, it is common knowledge that the armed forces can legaly intercept/censor any mail to or from soldiers durring time of war.

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#19229
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
If anyone wants their name removed from our mailing list, please email me (jeff(at)dwarvenforge.com) and I will remove you.

We are going to continue to use these postcards for the forseeable future, so please let me know if it somehow offends you. Or...you could look at it as free artwork for your game room.
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#19230
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
From what has been said here (and in some other posts), it seems that RF* has a high-level security clearance AND works in/from a secure facility (on or off a military base).

The clearance basically allows the granting agency access to his mail. And his phone records, and his internet activities, and his finances. And a say in his social and romantic interactions. And the ability to restrict his travel outside the US. Working at a secure facility (or even a regular office, these days) gives his employer access to at least his mail, phone, and internet in the workplace. Having a security clearance is a privilege, not a right, and involves considerable sacrifice of personal liberties.

I don't get mailings from DF (bought mine a few years ago at my FLGS, back when I had money), but it sounds like a postcard advertising the upcoming Den of Evil expansion. Postcards are not sealed, so any artwork is in public view -- every postal worker and mail clerk between DF and RF*'s mailbox saw it without violating a single law. And in a secure facility, where a large number of people carry clearances, people in the mailroom almost certainly have instructions to report any "unusual or suspicious" mail. The phrase "Den of Evil", with accompanying pictures, almost certainly triggered alarms. (And I suspect that any DF boxes that are delivered would be subject to chemical sensors and x-ray examination -- if they don't like the results, they WILL open the box and inspect everything in it.)

RF* gave Dwarven Forge an address to send materials to, and they did. That the address was one where people would be examining his mail is HIS responsibility, and no one else's. And he knew full well that DF makes products other than the Sci-Fi line, including the popular set with the spooky name. I suggest switching to a P.O.Box or some other "rented" address that will accept packages -- but be sure to notify the security officer of the address!
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#19231
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Yes, thank you for the card! I can take this with me and show people DF items while out and about. I don't need to have a PC and go to the website. I would like to have more to show around.

I could never work at a place that needs to monitor my "apparent" personality, if I can't be me, then good bye. That's all I've got.
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#19232
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I really enjoyed getting the card as well. Had I not already placed my preorder, it would have been a nice reminder for me to do so.

Then again, I don't work in an Orwell novel. Rabidfox, I feel doubleplusungood for your predicament. Perhaps you should re-route your DF mailings to a non Miniluv address.
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#19233
"Thanks" for the Postcard Jeff! 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Wait until you guys get your "Men of Dwarven Forge Calendars" in the mail at Christmas!
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