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#65153
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I will have to find some money for this KS.

Love the modular designs!!!
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#65163
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Any word on the prices range for these?
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#65164
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
GriffinTamer
It might be helpful to increase interest in your upcoming KS, to post the pics of your entrances and doors in one post. It just took me quite a while to find all your pics here in this thread due to scrolling through a lot of other peoples comments.
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#65166
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
No offense to you Griffin Tamer, but I have had too many established companies have issues with delivering on their kickstarters on any reasonable time table over the last two years to be able to risk backing a non-established company without a revenue stream to fall back on. They look real nice and will consider purchasing them if and when you ever sell them for retail. Out of 12 kickstarters only DF has delivered on time.
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#65167
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
brvheart wrote:
No offense to you Griffin Tamer, but I have had too many established companies have issues with delivering on their kickstarters on any reasonable time table over the last two years to be able to risk backing a non-established company without a revenue stream to fall back on. They look real nice and will consider purchasing them if and when you ever sell them for retail. Out of 12 kickstarters only DF has delivered on time.


With kickstarter you are not a customer, you are a backer/investor, so you have to have a different mind set.
Look at the kickstarter "About" page..

"# 6 Backing a project is more than just giving someone money".


"It’s supporting their dream to create something that they want to see exist in the world. People rally around their friends’ projects, fans support people they admire, and others simply come to Kickstarter to be inspired by new ideas. Some projects take longer than anticipated, but creators who are transparent about issues and delays usually find their backers to be understanding."

OK, 11 KS you backed failed to deliver on their original date goal. But how many delivered?

When I opened my bakery/deli (with very little capital to fall back on), it took 2 years to actually get the money and location. And after that our opening date was pushed back 4 times because optimism lost out to "shit happens".
When your brand new, with no systems in place, unforeseen problems occur.

The whole point of kickstarter is so that the little guy without start up capital gets a chance.
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#65168
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Cody that may have been the original idea of kickstarter but more and more gaming kickstarters are done by companies as a replacement for the pre-order system. They don't have to start to do anything until they get their money. Less and less are we investors and backers and more and more are we just simple customers. And as customers we should be treated that way, sorry. And as for how many have delivered? 3 so far out of 12. If you ask 80% of the people why they backed a gaming kickstarter and they will tell you for the product that has been promised them for their money. We are not philanthropists here.

Stephan wanted too put out a new line of PVC terrain and offer it to a lot of people. He gave a lot of people a chance to buy in early and get a decent deal. He also delivered on time. While there is a certain amount of fan interaction on the boards and the comments, this is largely a business transaction. He is running a company and we are his customers. I have no problem with that and I am generally a happy customer.

As far as the new guy trying to get crown funding for something, the reality is a high percentage of those fail. Either due to poor planning for something unforseen comes up and they cannot complete the project. Also, even the established companies running behind and having issues is giving the entire system a bad name:( People are already starting to get choosy about that projects they will back looking for those with a proven track record.

Right now my fulfillment rate is 25%. Until it gets up to at least 75-90% I am not backing any more ks.. I am on strike! Or boycotting or whatever!
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#65170
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
You can look at a Kickstarter as a business/customer relationship or as an investment. With DF I saw it as both personally. For GriffinTamer's I will be looking at it as an investment. That is to say I recognize that there is an element of risk, like any investment, but so long as the risk seems balanced with the potential reward it is a worthy investment.
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#65171
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I think you have to differentiate between types of kickstarter projects as to whether it's an investment or a purchase. A project that is only looking for a threshold to make production worthwhile for a single run is a purchase -- a project that is trying to raise capital to buy equipment so that they can begin producing something indefinitely is an investment.

Your own future expectations also determine whether your involvement is an investment or a purchase. If you intend to get what you want in the kickstarter and never buy more at retail, it's a purchase -- if you intend to buy more at retail later, or participate in future kickstarters, it's an investment.

I have participated in seven kickstarters so far. DF#1 fulfilled on schedule, two others are late, and four haven't hit their deadlines yet (including DF#2).

I would not notify someone who was about to launch a kickstarter that I am not going to back it, unless my reticence involved something specific that could be corrected/changed before the launch date, or perhaps if the individual/company already had a history of cancelled projects or late fulfillment (or maybe if I thought the project was crossing legal lines). I would instead simply not participate, quietly and without fanfare.

Going out of your way to inform someone that you won't back their kickstarter project because their project needs a kickstarter is offensive. Crowdfunding was created for projects that don't have traditional financing, like established companies or revenue streams or business loans. Assuming that someone with no fulfillment history will fail to deliver on time because a dozen projects they had nothing to do with are late is unreasonable. You can't blame someone for something they haven't done yet.


GriffinTamer, if you paint your dungeon entrances purple, I'm afraid I won't be able to back your project. As it stands, my finances at the time of your launch (which are nobody's problem or business but my own) will determine my involvement. I hope you give yourself enough leeway in your projected delivery date to allow for any hiccups in fulfillment. I wish you the best no matter what my level of involvement turns out to be.
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#65173
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
jackattack wrote:
I think you have to differentiate between types of kickstarter projects as to whether it's an investment or a purchase.

In GriffinTamer's case, I will be a patron of the arts.

All of the money that I spend on fun stuff is money that I don't need for essentials. And experience suggests that I won't end up using absolutely everything that I buy anyway. So the theoretical risk of backing a Kickstarter is just not that much of an obstacle to me.

I have learned maybe not to jump in with both feet quite so much as I did in one unfortunate case. But now that money is long gone, so when (if) my reward arrives, it will be like finding a box full of stuff that I had forgotten about.
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#65174
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
jackattack wrote:

I would not notify someone who was about to launch a kickstarter that I am not going to back it, unless my reticence involved something specific that could be corrected/changed before the launch date, or perhaps if the individual/company already had a history of cancelled projects or late fulfillment (or maybe if I thought the project was crossing legal lines). I would instead simply not participate, quietly and without fanfare.

Going out of your way to inform someone that you won't back their kickstarter project because their project needs a kickstarter is offensive. Crowdfunding was created for projects that don't have traditional financing, like established companies or revenue streams or business loans. Assuming that someone with no fulfillment history will fail to deliver on time because a dozen projects they had nothing to do with are late is unreasonable. You can't blame someone for something they haven't done yet.


What he said!!! I don't get the need for some people to consistently go out of their way to type negative posts for no apparent reason. Enjoy life! Revel in the awesomeness that is Griffin Tamer's body of work! I am in on this Kickstarter when it happens, and I don't care if it ships multiple years late. If Kickstarting this can let Griffin Tamer devote serious time to his creations, the more power to him!

And DF allowing discussion of related projects on these boards shows their true love of the hobby. What in the world is all this talk of "it's purely a business transaction, yadda yadda yadda". Do people who say this read Stefan's posts? Do they see Stefan's work and responsiveness? Jeff and Stefan clearly love the hobby and love what they do. Yes, it's their business, but it's also clearly a labor of love.

I am pumped about Griffin Tamer's KS, and pumped about picking up a ton of Dungeon GT when I hit the USA next month. Best of luck to Griffin Tamer's project!
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#65176
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I find it funny that Griffin Tamer has shown himself a stand up member of the community.... He has made and shared information, description's and photo's of his creations that add great flavor to the Dwarven Forge Products we all love so much. 95% of us share the excitement and pleasure of NEW FUN Stuff!

Yet! (Here is the funny Part!) Some people just have to Lather out the Negatives and in their own petty little way just rain on the parade.

I remember all the old folks as a kid telling us kids... "If you don't have anything positive to say... keep your mouth closed".... I also remember my old mentor and contract adviser's advice " Never say DoDo! When Do will Do!"
Think About it..... Something more and more rare in the Forum Postings.

Blatant Negative postings discourage People and Creativity.

I really think the DF Forum is needing a qualified Moderater to start censoring Stupid comments... Stefan is such a stand up guy and so very supportive of art's, community and creativity it is a shame to see people disrespect the freedom of the site.


Now some advice for Griffin...

Do your Best and Good things will come to you!

I don't know you on a personal level but you are the kind of fellow I would call a friend, Best Luck on your up coming KS.
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#65179
Re:Dungeon Entrances 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I'll be a day one backer! Wishing you the best of success. As others have said, we're ready to rally behind your dream to help you make it real. To me seeing people come together like this is part of the beauty of this life. It ranks well ahead of any toys or material possessions (although, they rock too).
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