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#59766
HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 7 Months ago  
Hello everyone. Heroquest is now live in another crowdfunding webpage:


www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/


It´s the perfect game for our game tiles and Dwarven Forge pieces.
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#59788
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
So they were shut down on two different funding sites for Copyright violations and they are going for a third try on an obscure funding site?

I think I am going to pass. :-(
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#59791
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I looked up some info about the situation and apparently the fact that the new site is a non-US site could make a difference...











...or it may not.
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#59792
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Yeah, the copyright actually did expire in Spain, so they are using a Spain based crowdfunding website to fund their game. Completely legal. My friends and I had a good laugh over all their US consternation vis a vis copyright laws and not understanding them at all, but this is the only way they can make this and not be sued into the Stone Age. It looks nice, honestly, but $200 for a US backer is just too steep for a game I already have two of.

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#59793
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Kodiak3d wrote:
I looked up some info about the situation and apparently the fact that the new site is a non-US site could make a difference...











...or it may not.

Spain is part of all international copyright agreements, including the Berne, WIPO and UCC conventions, so there would be legal recourse by the copyright holder.
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#59794
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
Zenfinite wrote:
Yeah, the copyright actually did expire in Spain, so they are using a Spain based crowdfunding website to fund their game. Completely legal. My friends and I had a good laugh over all their US consternation vis a vis copyright laws and not understanding them at all, but this is the only way they can make this and not be sued into the Stone Age. It looks nice, honestly, but $200 for a US backer is just too steep for a game I already have two of.

Zen

Ah, didn't see your post before mine... yeah, expired copyright would be their legal loophole, for sure.
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#59796
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
I am amazed so many people are so sure these guys will actually produce the game, after all these shenanigans.

I do not think I would trust them that much.
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#59798
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
So it's technically legal in a particular country...

Yeah, no.
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#59799
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
jackattack wrote:
So it's technically legal in a particular country...

Yeah, no.

Personal opinions aside, if anyone here is familiar with copyright laws and the history of copyright then, yes, it can be quite legal in another country.
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#59800
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago  
But it remains unethical everywhere else.
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#59810
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Ethics and the legal system. Two totally different things there... :P

While I'm interested as I've never played Heroquest, I'm out due to the price tag. I'm out of most KS games due to the price tag...
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#59854
Re:HEROQUEST in Crowdfunding 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
People are mixing up everything : the trademark owner, the Creator of the trademark, the copyrights and the licence.

Hasbro Inc is the creator of the trademark HEROQUEST worldwide.
They also own this trademark in many countries.
They can claim a right on their trademark if the owner doesn't respect the basic rules without a licence with them :

-> product has to be different
-> you don't have to use the same logo, text, etc
-> you cannot sell outside your country using a third party
-> you are limited in the sector which was initially taken by the creator (here it's "games & toys" class 28)

You certainly know the roleplaying game called HEROQUEST in the USA.
They follow those rules otherwise ... plaf !

In Spain, GameZone Miniaturas is the owner of the trademark HEROQUEST since november 2012. Hasbro Spain as initial Creator of this trademark had 6 months according to the international laws to make an opposition in the official journal : they didn't do it.
So GameZone Miniaturas has the right to use the trademark.

COPYRIGHT ?!
We're not talking about COPYRIGHT since the products are different.
There's no violation of copyrights in a such case.
They make a new game with the name HeroQuest that's all.
No elements of the original game are used.
So no complaint possible from the authors, designers, writers etc of the original game. Same for the roleplaying game called HEROQUEST in the USA.


Ok you benefit of a trademark popular name but that's all.
V mini series was renewed in 2009, Robocop movie this year, Terminator serial has changed many times the trademark owners (now a complete reboot i called genesis is coming), JOUEF also changed the trademark owner (modelism train) and makes new products etc etc .


The error of GameZone was to launch a crowdfunding campain on kickstarter Canada which is a part of the US company where all the money goes and is handle : on the american sole a thing they didn't check.

So the US owner of the trademark HEROQUEST (Moon Design) entered in conflict with them. It caused the close of the kickstarter project which it was logical. It caused too an unexpected polemic involving a false clue with a lawyer name who is dead and so on : something incredible !

Gamezone has registered the trademark last year with the International Madrid system which is protecting them well against international complaints in their country. Why ? The legal time limit to complaint and refuse the inscription in the official journal/gazette has past for 6 months now.

Now the campaign started on a third crowfunding plateform "lanzanos" which is -thank you for being respectful- not obscure. This is a famous european plateform and funds are not going in the usa or fiscal paradises and remain in Europe, in Spain to be more precise. (Madrid)


It's like Verkami : a spanish crowdfunding plateform close to my home (catalane !! ^^) which is very "cultural". They're more in art concepts and local artistic projects not really boardgames.
Their team hadn't time to check the project entirely in the short timing they had so they have refuse it. Don't read between lines they have clearly stated it in their communicate to the backers.


Now I'm agreed : This boardgames minis & furniture will suit well with Dwarven Forge. But it would come unpainted so there's a lot of work incoming !
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