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Tripping down Memory Lane... 9 Years, 6 Months ago  
MLV,

The first D&D rules now called OD&D (Original D&D or Old D&D) were 3 digest size books contained in a similar size box. Derived from the old Guidon Games box Tractics which also contained 3 digest sized books (this was Egg’s former employer before starting TSR hobbies). There are several printings of the box-set here’s a link to the Acaeum page containing those printings.

www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/SetPages/Original.html

willypold,

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#5471
Tripping down Memory Lane... 9 Years, 6 Months ago  
Followed the link...

This is a similar breakdown as one I did many years ago about the various printings of the Swedish translation of Basic Roleplaying, the first RPG to be published in Swedish. The first incarnation was Basic Roleplaying straight out, but the game was heavily rewritten for the later editions. The name chosen for this, the first Swedish roleplaying game, was Drakar och Demoner (or "Dragons and Demons") - and just like Tunnels & Trolls and all the other games with an alliterated "XXX & XXX" name it had nothing to do with D&D, other than being an RPG. You may guess at the confusion this has caused... :D
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Tripping down Memory Lane... 9 Years, 6 Months ago  
Willypold,

You’ve got a lot of good points. You sound like a well read intelligent guy. I’m not the best a debating, but here are my thoughts.

I like your ideas about (CS) and (RP) very well defined. The problem with these early games is that they were really both. Even D&D when it first appeared in 74, was more geared towards individual combat simulation than roleplaying even though it had a storyteller. D&D spawned from Chainmail which can only be defined as a (CS) game. But it was when the individual felt compelled to roleplay that the game began to change.

I’ve heard some old timers tell me that when they first started seeing people “roleplay� at early cons they didn’t know what to think. These were the old tabletop wargamers who had even been playing the new game D&D in a (CS) way i.e. dungeon crawls.
The first D&D module “The Palace of the Vampire Queen� produced by Wee Warriors Productions for TSR is set up in this way. Room numbers, quick description, and monster stats, that’s it, total "Hack and Slash" no mention of roleplay. Roleplaying was born out of having a little more fun with running an individual character and adding more colorful descriptions to the adventure. Then once it caught on did they start to be defined as RPG’s.

So getting back to “Warriors of Mars� it could be defined as both (CS) and (RP) game. The book is based on a well known series of Sci-Fi books and is filled with rich descriptions of characters and locations in the novels. And yes, the book does give rules for individuals forming a party and adventuring together as well as leading armies, and in the first case a storyteller would run the game giving descriptions and such, but not necessarily roleplaying. But then again; could a well read Burroughs reader resist a line or two from a known character.

BTW nice work on the Swedish RPG’s, and about the geek lines, it’s all in fun. What’s funny is I know gamers who don’t consider themselves geeks……….What Dorks :P .
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#5473
Tripping down Memory Lane... 9 Years, 6 Months ago  
Sounds like it could very well be defined as an RPG then! Great! More trivia to clobber my friends with! :D

Getting back to LARP for a moment... The definition I use is one formulated by a Norwegian group and is as follows:

"Live action roleplay is a meeting between characters."

This needs to be a little elucidated... A "meeting" implies randomness, you can plan your interaction, but you can't depend on it. It also assumes that you are not using a script. The "characters", or "roles", if you prefer that term, are not the players. They are represented by the players, and the players experience the meetings, the action, the emotions, which would be attributed to the characters, which means that anything happening between the characters only exist in the world of the characters, and not in the real world. Play your character, be your character, but only for the duration of the game.

There is also no storyteller, no GM running the game, only the person or persons who conceived and organized the game, and when it all started - they let go.

This is in my mind a "higher state" of regular roleplaying, as you remove yourself more or less completely from any sort of rules and rules paraphernalia (like dice, minis, whatever).

A little more than 30 years since Chainmail and its strange little offspring - D&D, and you can study Larp at Norwegian universities and the Church of Sweden has published a roleplaying game to be used by confirmation pupils, pitting them against severe moral dilemmas... :D
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#5474
Tripping down Memory Lane... 9 Years, 6 Months ago  
Wow... Who Knew the Geek issue would Touch Nerves, (Or be taken seriously?)... All through H.S. I Would Proudly Announce that I Was "Weird", Not Strange or Odd, Mind you, those were reserved For my Siblings... The Point Being I have always Rejoiced in my Capacity to be Comfy with my Curious Interests and Willingness to Explore the Intellect as well as the Physical World Around me...

Most of the Folks that Post regularly here Boast "Real" Jobs, "Real" Educations and a Life Beyond Sci-Fi or Fantasy To Include a Host of Intrigueing Trivia on Many Subjects... This Still Does not Qualify as a Geek though... There is One trully Acurate Definition, which I have already Stated... But Even in More Common Social Terms "A Geek" is not simply an Intellectual, the Implication is more of Social Awkwardness...

Now I have not met any of you, but Most at least "Appear" to be Married, Have Careers that are at least somewhat satisfying, Children, Etc... In Short we have "Lives"... We do however, have another thing in Common, which is One or More Hobbies that Are Not Baseball or Fishing, (Though my Guess would be that Some of us enjoy those things as well), but that does not make us social misfits does it?

I guess it comes down to this, I can appreciate Self-deprecating humor as much as the Next guy, (Or Gal?), but I think sometimes that the "Negative" aspects of Gaming get over emphasized in our culture a lot more than is constructive... And While This point is as likely to be misconstrued as was my previous Comment i'll follow it up with this, Embrace your "Inner Geek" to your Hearts Content, but Someones choice to NOT be called a Geek ought not to be casually dismissed as demonstrative of taking themselves too seriously...

That Having been said, I Could Care less if some one Thinks I'm a Geek, or has a Different Definition than my own. I Just do not think that what we do is particularly extra ordinary, certainly not to the point of deserving Special Titles...<Grin>...


On the RPG discussion I have less to say... I like to do it, (Role play), my only LARP experiences have been:

a) The Occasional Pick up game of Vampire at a Local Goth Club. (I Like to Go in and solicit the Story Teller for NPC parts, Occasionally someone needs to be Killed, or There is a Need for a Contact Etc... And it can be Fun to play a role for an Evening, without feeling in any way attached to Rather the Character is ultimately Successful, Slain etc)...

b) I Played Dark Confrontations at Dragon Con Several Years in a row, back before the Hotel Moved in '97 (I Think it was 97)...

Although LARP'ing can be fun, I Really Prefer to RPG...
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