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#40150
KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
We run a large event (32+ people) at KublaCon every year and 2011 is no exception. We use Dwarven Forge to create several areas to crawl thru, and also intersperse some Live-Actionish interaction with NPC's and PvP to make a fun event. It is often drow-themed as well, or sometimes set in Waterdeep. Here are the past few years' of adventures to get an idea of what we do.

www.colinburns.com/provinggrounds/index.html

Anyway, this year, we are wondering if we should do 4E or Pathfinder, so I thought I'd post here and see what you guys think, as I'd hope you'd be representative of our audience.

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#40151
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
Its the good old coke vs pepsi argument - its all down to taste mate!

Me, I'd happily play either.

For roleplaying I'd slightly prefer pathfinder
For a one off hack n' slash I'd prefer 4E.

I'm sure you'll get some frothing both for and against both.

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#40152
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
I prefer Pathfinder all the time.

I am sorry, but 4E seems to me as a World of Warcraft kind of roleplaying game, e.g. you just 'click' some 'icons' and wait what happens next.


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#40153
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
I like 4e for the tactical aspect of combat but I feel it is so good
it sometimes over shadows the roleplaying aspects of the game. I guess
it's up to the DM and the players to their run game where they want it but
my group has been running dnd like a turn based stategy game :)

I like pathfinder and 3.5 but I guess I've gotten lazy from using charater
builder and have little desire to go through my 40 3.5 books building my
character any more. It might be nice to run a pathfinder core only game
pretty soon.
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Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
Pathfinder. Must agree 100% with Dwarf on the feel of 4e.

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#40173
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
I agree with everything that's been said.

4E (to our group) feels more like a skirmish wargame than an old school role playing game. The battles take centre stage and are excellent - they feel like a mini 'game within a game.' The problem with this is that 1. They tend to dominate the play time wise and 2. The rest of the game can feel a bit subordinate i.e. "filling in the spaces" or getting to the next level/treasure so I can get X cool ability that will be useful in a fight. Yes it feels like WoW.

Summary: The system is slick, glossy, works extremely well in combat. Its reasonably balanced, especially if you limit access to the splat books. I wish as much effort had been put into the skill challenge bit.

Pathfinder is like a de bugged 3.5 that mechanically works well.

The third option (my current fav) is to play original AD&D or one of the free modern sims that are available free.

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#40184
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
I run a Master Maze event at Owlcon* every year, and for our purposes, 4E is better. We run two parties at one time through the same dungeon, and there's some cooperative and competitive aspects, but it's honestly not a lot more than hack'n'slash, made worthwhile by the awesomeness of DF.

4E is well-suited to hack'n'slash and easy for newbies to pick up. The relative lack of sophistication of the rules make it easy to run quickly.

That being said, it is abundantly clear that WotC has split the DnD market in half between 4E and Pathfinder and it shows no signs of reconciling. We actually have seen participation in our Master Maze event drop since 4E came out. The 4E v. Pathfinder question is one that we struggle with, especially this year, when Pathfinder participation at Owlcon has exploded.

In non-con gaming, I've gotten used to 4E and can mostly route around the parts that suck (and they deeply, deeply suck), but I prefer Pathfinder. It's smarter, it requires more mental engagement, and I just have more confidence in the rules underneath.

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#40185
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
I personally like 4e better, and if well run, IMHO, feels more like the feeling I got from 1st and 2nd ed. That being said, it is pretty clear that perhaps I should run PF, assuming the tools are good enough to create the monsters and such.
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#40186
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
The Hero Lab character gen for Pathfinder works like a charm. It even has the optional book from Pathfinder, the monsters book, supplements.

If it's lazyness that keeps you away from it ... that problem is solved :)

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#40187
Re:KublaCon 2011 - 4E vs. Pathfinder 4 Years ago  
What I like about Pathfinder is that it's compatible with the tons (literally) of D20 material I already possess. It makes transferring anything from D20 to Pathfinder really simple and time-saving (which I like since I am not a student anymore).
Concerning a character generator I use the PCGen5162 which works well, too.
At last, I might add, that actually it's of no importance WHICH rules you use, the fun and action in a roleplaying session depend on the players and the GM. I have run spontaneous sessions which weren't planned with only 2 D10 and by assingnig percentages to all actions.
Anyway, I still prefer Pathfinder over 4E because it has more of a roleplaying character instead of a tactical combat system. 4E starts with a description of different character classes and their roles (e.g. healer, tank, etc.) and that reminded me so much of WoW that I quit reading it right there. This was a very hard decision for me since I play D&D since the classic Basic Set and have a lot of stuff lying around here.

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