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#33753
WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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#33754
WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
I tend to agree with these points, I think they're extremely sharp. I really think people ignore the time issue -- maybe because I'm a little older and so many of the technophile types are young, they don't seem to have the future in mind. There is such a fascination with what can be done now, nobody's thinking of "how will I access this stuff in twenty, thirty years?"

I had really cool computer games and applications twenty five years ago, on my Apple //c. I made cool games with the Adventure Construction Set, I composed music with the Music Construction Set, I made animated shorts with Take 1! I used to play Tomb Raider and Tomb Raider II back when I had a PC desktop. All of that stuff, which I really enjoyed, is gone now, without the hardware for it. Heck, the pictures I used to take -- of DF, even! -- on my Mac desktop, those are no longer accessible to me, I only have PC laptop now and the format's wrong.

It's just generally frustrating -- all the photos, text files, movies, games, whatever -- they're so platform-dependent, and platforms change so rapidly -- even if you do decide to stay with PC desktops or Mac laptops and never switch, the stuff won't run on the new OS or whatever. It's inconceivable to me that so many people are storing data they really value in ways they may not be able to access in fifteen years. With hard copies of photos, hard copies of books, that's not an issue. Yes, it takes up more physical space. But it's also easily accessible, no matter how the technology changes. That is hugely significant to me.

Digital copies are great as backups, in case of fire or flood, etc. But they could never replace the hard copies for me.

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Hmm... I always take my important stuff and convert it along the way. I have several old adventures that were done in framemaker, converted to PS, then to PDF then to Word so I could edit them. Same with pictures and other stuff.
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#33755
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Hi guys,

Since I'm on my THIRD eBook, I feel I'm a little more qualified than most to sound off on this issue. IF anyone here feels otherwise, feel free to correct me! It's been done before, so you'll have to press hard to hurt my feelings.
Anyway.
Microsoft has their Microsoft Reader, which comes prepacked with the iPAQ/PocketPC, and (I think) with most notebook PCs, and is downloadeable FOR FREE from the Microsoft Web pages - and will run on ANY Windows machine with XP or later. These days, that's pretty much every Windows machine worldwide. It reads MS Reader .lit files.
ALL Palm machines newer than 2004 can run Mobipocket - and THAT's free; it reads .prc, .mobi, and I think it will also read Kindle books. Certainly the Kindle will read them.
There is the Sony eReader, which reads .pdfs, .txts, and I think Word .docs and .rtfs.
Several of the newer cell phones read some of these formats.
There are various free or dirt-cheap programs that will translate between these formats.
I've had a Rocket eBook, which is gone now, but I've heard rumors that someone is bringing it back - never confirmed. It came with software to convert .txt files to it's proprietary format. It was a great reader, but battery life and clunky size condemned it.
I went a l-o-n-g way with an iPAQ, until I managed to kill the non-replaceable battery in mine. My wife is still soldiering on with hers; she has a replaceable battery. And the iPAQ also does all the things Windows will let it do.
I'm currently using first Gen Kindle, and it's great - the only drawback is proprietary format and monochrome screen. The Kindle 2 improves the battery life and the screen resolution and grey scale, but it still uses a proprietary format - but loves the Mobipocket format as well. And it has the Whispernet delivery system as well, which means any Kindle can get ANY book from Amazon's list of Kindle's as long as you are in range of a Sprint cell tower - and Amazon pays for it. And they've lowered the price on the Kindle, too.
Book prices are coming down, as well, thanks to pioneers such as Jim Baen, who has carried his Baen Free Library over to Kindle/Mobipocket format as well. And Baen is spreading their list beyond just their impring; they are carrying books from other publishers, although they sometimes have to wait a few months to get them.
In short, the push is on, and yes, the younger ones are picking up on it.
Me? I've been known to buy both the treeware AND the eBook, just to support the author! But I won't pay treeware prices for electrons - that's nothing but a greedy publisher. The intellectual property of the AUTHOR should not be used to the profit of the PUBLISHER, when the PUBLISHER does no work to earn it. The Publisher earns a BIG cut on print material, as does the printer; I'd say 40% printer, 30% publisher, 30% author - and that becomes 40% printer, 20% publisher, 40% author after the publisher's initial investment including advance is recouped. Or even better for the author. But on eBooks, that 40% for the printer should drop to less than 10%, because there is NO PRINTING COST - and the 10% comes out of what the publisher would be getting. The 40% publisher cost disappears, and the eBook should not cost any more than 60% of a peperback book.
And THAT is what is killing the eBook market - publisher greed.
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#33756
WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
You act like those of us who like books have something wrong with us, but I think it's the people who don't have anything tactile that have something wrong with them sir.

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OK, first I'm going to approach this with the (probably foolish) assumption that you skimmed my post and didn't really pay attention to it. Had you read it closely, you would see clearly that nowhere in the post did I imply that people who like books have something wrong with them. Between my wife and I we probably own somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 some odd books.

Based on your response I can surmise that you have some sort of misunderstanding of my post as I was speaking strictly about technology itself--not that printed books or the people who are fond of them are bad. I never implied either point.

Secondly, I'm not the one publishing the numerous studies readily available via most well-respected psychology or sociology circles that say that human beings have a predilection for tactile objects (I can provide you with the name and contact information of a licensed, practicing psychologist for verification if you wish to question the veracity of that statement) .

The suggesting that you expressed ("I think it's the people who don't have anything tactile that have something wrong with them") is a logical fallacy in and of itself--what does one consider a PDA or eREader? Aren't they tactile devices that one must hold on to?
If that's so, then by your statement people who like eReaders have something wrong with them as well.

Lastly, I noticed that you're a relatively new forum member, so I'll give you that, but I will not be publicly attacked or wrongly accused of berating any group of people based on a non-existent, manufactured argument.

I trust I'm clear on this and that it was a simple misunderstanding on your part. I'm willing to leave it at that and say no more.
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#33757
WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Dante, it was certainly not my intent for you to feel as if I was attacking you. I did not skim your post, but I did feel as if you somehow viewed those of us who don't really like ebooks as having something wrong with us- I got this from the "mind boggling" part of your post; that you were viewing segment of the population as having something wrong with them; in fact re-reading that I still feel that you are expressing this.

By not having something tactile, I simply meant having all your data on computers; I used tactile to express that but it doesn't look like my point got across. Summed up, it meant that I view it as silly that people would invest large amounts of money into something that viruses, license server, or simple time could take away.

Again, none of my previous post, nor this post is an attack on you; it consists of my views on proprietary electronic formats in general. I just re-read my post and I (like you with your own post) fail to see where you feel attacked. I apologize if you felt slighted, but again I'm expressing my views on the subject, not you.
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WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
Hello All,

Well by the sounds of it we are all either techie guys in the industry, or have use technology on a regular basis. (Hence our posts here) What I am about to say I will say for myself and myself only. I am a person who may or may not enjoy looking back one day, but have a very real problem that many of you older folks may have encountered when you were younger with slightly different technology. I love my toys, some of you loved your 8 Tracks. 8 Tracks are gone but that did not stop you from purchasing them and I would argue that Records were better. I purchased several records and I still listen to them. Nothing like Zep 1, 2, or 4 on LP or Pink Floyd and Frank Zappa on vinyl. However most of my collection went out the door. Not becuase they did not work or I could not play them, it was a space issue. I am having the same problem now with books and magazines. I just sold my entire collection of Dragon magazines on ebay. I could no longer store them. I want a media format that I can use to store volumes of my entertainment in a easy format. I agree with you I may loose that format but then again I may not. JPG images have been accepted long before I got in the industry in the early 90s and they are still used. MP3s, MP4s are a standard beyond the computer industry. Your games can be played on emulators. Long story short we all Gamble on our storage method. I am gambling on IPOD and its format now. How many million units do they sell a quarter? How many billion songs to date? Epaper will be similar. And if they do not transfer teh media type who cares. If designed properly (I agree we do not have that yet) epaper would use batteries that have been around for 50 years. Epaper could last longer than me which is all I really care about. One other note... I went to CMU recently to visit with my cousin who is enrolled in one of there doctorate programs there. He showed me a prototype of an epaper replace ment that gathers energy from the sun directly in the "paper" and stores it in simple capacitors/batteries for now, has full color, flimsy magazine like pagesand could do similar things like have been mentioned. This one went even futher and included a OLED display on the front to have video capabilities. Will we see something like this soon? No way? is it practicle no. However the day will come my friends when we loose our books. I can assure you. Just for the simple reason that PCs are being pushed down to little kids, publishers are not selling as much paper as they would like. Print will be something special that you do if you really like the ecopy. By the way how long before google comes out with an epaper book/magazine concept so as you are reading your book or magazine those looking at you on the other side see advertisments? It can not come fast enough for me. I have moved so many times and each time I give away or loose books, records, CDs, etc. I may regret it one day but I doubt it. Now something to make you laugh in case you are still reading....

I quit watching TV August 2nd 1992 and the only time my TV is on is when we play Wii. My kids do not watch cable cartoons. Strange coming from a guy who wants a 1TB IPOD with no moving parts.

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#33759
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I forgot to mention that Sandy & I have well over 2000 hard and paperback books and keep buying more - but we still buy eBooks as well, because they're PORTABLE!
I can cram the entire Honor Harrington AND 1632 series on my Kindle without breaking a sweat. Do you KNOW how much that would weigh, even in paperbacks? I already have ONE wrecked shoulder; I don't need to destroy the other one! And I don't even have an expansion memory card in the Kindle yet! Even the sky isn't the limit - I'm reaching for Low Earth Orbit or higher!
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#33760
WotC SUES EIGHT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT 5 Years, 6 Months ago  
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I think there is a future for both media. I absolutely agree that I doubt e-books will last on average as long as a printed book. Technology moves fast and while it is possible to preserve data, store it in a format which is future proof - the issue is - this takes up time and effort. And if you don't do it every time you change your computer you will have big problems later on.
My Diploma Thesis was done 4 generations of PC's ago - I have stored it in Latex format (at least ASCII still works) on some 5 1/4 floppy disks. Do they still work? I don't know. Surely you could recover most of the data with specialist equipment. But it is easier to go on the loft and look for the printed copy.
Similar with the PhD thesis - at least this one is only 3 generations of PC ago - we are talking now 3 1/2 inch floppy disks which might still be easier to get hold off.

For a while I was writing some short stories for a specific person. When I had around 30 of these I printed them out using a wax printer on mamorised paper. I then went to a book binder and had it bound in leather. Only two copies exists - my personal one is in my book shelf - and it will probably outlast me.

While some electronic data might outlast me as well - who would ever care.

Yes - e-books are great - especially for fast moving texts which tend to go out of date quickly (I get the economist in printed version every week - and when the next one arrives it goes to the dump). For something which should last - paper is in my mind still a better option.

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