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#30920
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Overall I think that this is--potentially--good news.

I have read (and posted) many comments about the decline in DDM quality. No more speculation, now we know why; increased production costs vs. dwindling consumer support. Likely this was something of a catch-22 of course, because increased prices with decreased quality all but assures decreases in sales and desireability.

As to the Skirmish game going away, I know that there are many who will be saddened by that news. I was never a big skirmish player anyway however, and always purchased DDM primarily for RPG use. So to me it is not a big deal EXCEPT that the randomized DDM with a combination of PC, NPC, and Monster sculpts, meant that I was able to build up a pretty nice assortment of different minis types. I wonder how that will be affected.

With much smaller sets for monsters and considerably smaller assortments of PCs the opportunity to collect that level of variability may go way down. Which may be fine for those of us who already have a good-sized collection, but may limit sales to some new comers to the game. Maybe. I say maybe because, the actual number of different mini types will not really be that different.

e.g.

In the past few years we have seen DDM go from 80 minis, to 72, to 60 as the recent standard right? So now we have 40 per set for the MM sets, and 18 for the PCs. So, in a way, we are going from a 60 mini set to a 58 mini set, all of which are supposedly going to be higher quality. So the numbers are not changing that much. At least for Minis counts. Of course the cost is going WAY up!

Still, many of us have been clamering for non-randomized for some time now, and it looks like we will be getting a version of that. Sort of semi-randomized I guess.

I also like the fact that WotC is communicating what is going on rather than just springing it on us out of nowhere. Given a choice of WotC experimenting and continung to produce new minis for a while vs. DDM going away entirely, I'll sign on and see what happens next.

My biggest question is; will this mean a higher or lower chance for unusual NPC sorts of figs and dare I ask again, objects? My guess is lower, at least initially. And the other part of that is; what can we expect from WotC in terms of PCs?

Since this new approach will (obviously) be supporting 4e and RPG use in particular, will we be saddled with a bunch of Dragon-born Class-specific types of sculpts? I mean Clearly a player who is using a Dragon born Druid (Is that possible? I do not know 4e at all) will not find one in the old assortment of randomized sets. So if the new PC packs are geared for 4e I wonder how useful they will be for 3.0 and earlier PC character types. We will not know for a while of course, but I am still curious.

Regardless, overall--as stated--I am interested in seeing how this new approach goes. I would certainly rather see WotC try something new and experiment a little than see the pre-paints go away entirely.

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#30921
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what can we expect from WotC in terms of PCs?
From The D&D Heroes will be refreshed regularly in order to continue to deliver new PC options to players. There are two series scheduled for 2009 and three scheduled for 2010. MSRP $10.99.
I am taking that to mean in 2009 there will be 36 PC types, and 48 more by the end of 2010, for 84 eventually, 1/3 of those female characters.
But yeah i think they won't be completly 3rd unfriendly, but other than the dragonborn there really aren't that many "new" species, from the PHB, there will be some of the Splat books missing (like races of he wild, the sea book, etc) the tieflings were Forgoteen realms standards, the Eledrin (or what ever they are called are just freakin elves. The only thing really missing is the (glad it's gone) gnome. Humans are there, dwarves are there, elves, eledrin, halflings, many etc are there and even some of the Eberon, (warforged) and goliaths from the Races of stone. From what little i know of 4th they didn't actually create any really brand new races. Anmd even the Dragonborn where in races of the Dragon, and i don't care what people say, the elibrin are just elves.

I don't think it will be that far off for 3.X use, and some of the monsters still may work (drow orcs for half orcs etc.)
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#30922
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
As long as the minis look like the two pictured (Troll King and Goliath) then this seems like a good move - I'm all for better paint jobs! The new rares they said will be also have 50% more paint steps than the current rares!

The whole "design the mini using CAD" explains a lot about the recent drop in sculpt quality. I hope, as GS says, they will be able to improve that.....

Good point about the objects and weird PC minis (Like the Wizard of Turmish?).....I'm wondering if they are shelving the idea of releasing non-combatants for now as well....
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#30923
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
For now yes they are shelving the noncombatants... ERGH.

The sets will have monsters in them. If it is in the MM then that would be a good rule of thumb for being in the sets. Humanoid type NPCs will be of the drow, orc, duragar, goblinoid persuasion.

As for farmers and drunks I am not sure. Could be a future product like a village or town set if this proves to have potential.
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#30924
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Wow, they are at least considering themed sets (Town was mentioned) so that is cool.

And you may be right GS about the variety of PC's. It just stands to reason though that they are likely to play a bit of catch-up on some of the obscure combos of class and species. Which could be interesting as well I suppose if only used as NPC's in 3.X or earlier.

In any event I will be looking forward to seeing what comes down the pipe. I already mentioned to my wife that the Demon Web is to be the last of the traditional randomized sets. I wonder if they will sell out like crazy being that they are to be the final such set?

Which of course brings up secondary market stuff; namely how long before some of the older commons suddenly become more collectable?!...*Chuckle*... I have already seen at least one site which has started raising the prices on their commons and uncommons in particular. Should be interesting.

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#30925
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Just the latest kick in the face really. I was only occationaly playing the DDM and even switched over to the vr 2.0 and enjoyed a few games. I used proxies for some of my older metal stuff. So now the new figures coming out will not be playable with that either. Wow..... They are telling me at every turn to quit gaming so I think I will but may keep a few for old time sake. Please tell me they are not doing the same thing " no skirmish " to the SW........ I can hope that there will be some Fan produced cards for the DDM for the new figures?
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#30926
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Mike what questions do you have on quality and distribution? ...
Thanks for the info, GS. I hadn't spent much time following the discussions after the initial announcement and subsequent "sky is falling" panic.

I did see Wizards comment about the paint quality but I'll take my usual "wait and see" stance. What's promised isn't always what's delivered as we've all seen before.

Have you read anything about the "Dungeon Delve" skirmish system yet? I haven't but I hope it's a way to keep skirmish players involved. The larger the fan-base the better for any product.

I am intrigued by the new direction and hope they do decide to do some completely non-blind encounter packs (townsfolk ???). I wonder what Reaper's response to this development will be with their Legendary Encounter line? It would be great if the two companies could work together ... Wizards uses Reapers sculpts to save production costs ???
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#30927
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'm actually pretty happy with this. I think the old model was getting a little stale, and since the beginning there has been a vocal contingent of folks wanting to distinguish between PC's and monster-types. I think the old C/U/R distribution wasn't really up to the task -- sure, in some sense PC's would be "rare" and monsters "common," but then there are some common PC types and some rare monsters. The thing is, after collecting for awhile, you probably get all the PCs you want. You still want, however, monsters, including rare ones. So trying to capture the "you only need a limited number of PCs, and plenty of monsters" approach with C/U/R isn't going to work.

I'm curious to see how this works out. Obviously a "town set" would thrill me, and I might even find a basic PC set appealing just because I collect so much. But if it's going to be possible to get monsters-only sets in the future, I'd be all for that. The past three or four sets have had nothing but boring human and humanoid characters for me -- it's just the crazy, doesn't-look-like-a-person beasties that I dig. (yes, I realize that there will still be orcs, drow and bugbears in the monster sets, etc., but I still think I'll like the ratios of non-humanoids-to-humanoids more...)

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Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Mike what questions do you have on quality and distribution? ...
Have you read anything about the "Dungeon Delve" skirmish system yet? I haven't but I hope it's a way to keep skirmish players involved. The larger the fan-base the better for any product.

I am intrigued by the new direction and hope they do decide to do some completely non-blind encounter packs (townsfolk ???). I wonder what Reaper's response to this development will be with their Legendary Encounter line? It would be great if the two companies could work together ... Wizards uses Reapers sculpts to save production costs ???

Here is what i have been able to dig up on Delve, it is basically just a combat system with no RPG, but bassed more off of an "encounter" than pit your warband against another from what i can tell. There will be Delve Kits (which just look like here are the stats for the stuff you need, go find the minis and the Dungeun tiles). With no real Skirmish cards, but simplified RPG stats to run quick battles, the Minis will come with Delve cards but not Skirmish. So these are way more geared to RPG, with "Here are quick encounter stats" so if you need to fight X you just grab the quick fight stats. (Honestly there were times i freakin used the old DDM 1 Skirmish stats for Encounters, average damage, average HP and "prime combat" stats. (ie the Berserker was beserking etc so figured out already... i would just occasionally say 7 points of damage was dealt instead of 5, or 13 was dealt to them instead of 10 etc Players never caught on).



Dungeon Delve
A D&D Adventure by David Noonan and Bill Slavicsek

Dungeon Delve provides the DM with an array of small, easy-to-run dungeons each especially designed for a night of gaming.

This book is designed for groups looking for an exciting night of monster-slaying without the prep time. It contains dozens of self-contained easy-to-run mini-dungeons, or “delves,” each one crafted for a few hours of game-play.

The book includes delves for 1st- to 30th-level characters, and features dozens of iconic monsters for the heroes to battle. Dungeon Masters can run these delves as one-shot adventures or weave them into their campaign.

Key Selling Points
This book has encounters for all levels of characters, from 1st to 30th.
DMs can drop each of the mini-dungeons into their games at a moment’s notice.
Based on the extremely popular “Delve” events held at gaming conventions.
Every delve is designed to use existing D&D Dungeon Tiles and D&D Miniatures.

Hardcover, 192 pages, $29.95
February 17, 2009

to go along with the new Wizard play Network D&D Delve Night
D&D Delve Night is a monthly dungeon crawl adventure that is separated into four encounters. Each encounter takes about 1-2 hours to complete. The encounters are meant to be played one per week, or as often as the organizer and DM agree to run them. Each encounter is displayed on a full-color cardstock sheet with all the information needed to DM the session right on the sheet. Players simply show up with characters of the appropriate level (or create them onsite) and jump right into the action!

As an organizer, this is a great way to have a weekly D&D game without a large time commitment. The session can be played on a weeknight or you can play a longer session on the weekend using more than one encounter. As a DM, everything you need to run the adventure is on the sheet; just bring some Dungeon Tiles and D&D Miniatures and you’re ready to go. As a player, you can get a weekly game of D&D in without having to worry about scheduling time with a group – simply show up at your play location with the appropriately leveled character (or make one onsite) and you’re ready to go.

As to how this will effect Reapers LE, it hasn't really made a splash on the R:LE forums, i looked over the weekend, and they are still in the process of getting a Quote for Wave three from the manufacturer. So i figure the new WOTC PC's will be out before Wave three of LE.

L yeah i really want the minis that looks like a monster monsters as well, one of the sets was decent for it (Cockatrice, Xorn, and maybe a few others) but yeah for the most part the sets have been lacking. My biggest problem may be 4th ed look... not sure yet.
I have to admit i may buy a some of the PC's Arcane Heroes 1 and 2 along with Divine Heroes may very well have some big appeal for customizing (espically the Female figures) into Stuff for SW RPG or just be decent figures. I will wait to see what these things look like though, while that Golaith looks nice (though not 100% what i would use it for as Goliaths don't exsist in any world i Run in, and are pretty much Cheesey as Mac and Cheese) i have no great desire for Teifling. I will have to see but these could be some great figures...

I will be posting later today in the Forum thread off of this WotC announcment about, yes Townsfolk are wanted... (i would say all that want townsfolk, post and write as well... the Noncombatant from Feywild will be missed by for sure.)
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#30929
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 6 Years ago  
Some more info, if you were wondering if this was to spell the end of SWM...

Hi All,

I've been keeping tabs on this discussion (and the DDM thread) - just want to put a few concerns to rest....

First off, SWM is a completely different animal than DDM - our squirmish to RPG player ratio is almost the opposite of D&D and we have no plans to abandon this larger audience. In fact, I've been working closely with key members of the community to ensure we keep the players in mind with our marketing plans for 2009.

As some of you have heard me say, my goal is to make SWM as BIG as possible with the larger Star Wars fan base. As many of you (awesome fans of SWM) as there are right now, there are hundreds of Star Wars fans who are still completely unaware of our products -- if you imagine that?! Depending on what we determine will reach this larger audience, you may see a few changes or additions to our lineup in the coming year or two. Again - nothing drastic to disappoint our large player audience.

Finally....it's no secret that we (Americans) are in tough financial times and the cost of goods on nearly everything has been sky rocketing. I can't tell you how many meetings I attend each week to discuss these issues as they pertain to our products (too many to count!) I can tell you we are working extremely hard to mitigate the impact of these cost issues, ensuring our products are still the best possible collection of Miniatures with each release.

Please continue to post your concerns and I'll be happy to address any specific questions!
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#30930
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 5 Years, 12 Months ago  
A bit more info

PHB1 and MM1 sets are listed in places around May 19, 2009(?) and the second sets for August. Seems really short gap between May and August.

Player's handbook Heroes: Series 2

The Player's Handbook Heroes: Series 2 expansion for the D&D Roleplaying Game features high-quality miniatures representing iconic player character races and classes described in the Player's Handbook and Player's Handbook 2 core rulebooks. There are six booster packs in all: 2 packs of martial heroes, 1 pack of arcane heroes, 2 packs of divine heroes, and 1 pack of primal heroes.

Each booster pack contains 3 visible, high-quality, non-random plastic miniatures representing D&D player characters plus an exclusive power card not available elsewhere!

$14.99

August 18, 2009

Monster Manual: Dungeon Lords

The Monster Manual: Dungeon Lords expansion for the Dungeons & Dragons Roleplaying Game features pre-painted plastic miniatures of iconic monsters from the Monster Manual and other core rulebooks. This 40-figure set includes monsters of various levels and roles, and each booster pack allows Dungeon Masters run a ready-to-play D&Dencounter right out of the box!

Each huge booster pack contains:
1 visible non-random Huge pre-painted miniature
4 hidden random pre-painted miniatures

$14.99

August 18, 2009
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#30931
Big change for WoTC plastic minis 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Here are some peeks at the first D&D Heroes packs:

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