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#30625
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
In support of commoner minis, you also might have situations in which the commoners become combatants on either side of the conflict.

When the orcs raid the village, you need to protect many of the commoners, but when the orcs try to take on the blacksmith or the butcher or the barmaids they might find themselves overmatched.

When the party confronts the evil wizard, he speaks one word and all of the villagers' eyes turn red and they start to attack. Does the party kill them or not?

The villagers -- who were unusually placid and aloof in the daylight -- attack the party. Wounding them seems to break the spell, but a mortal wound releases a Horror from Beyond (TM).

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As far as DF producing commoner minis, I will reiterate my hope that Stefan and crew not attempt to enter that market.

DF makes a unique product, and they make it very well. (Which, by the way, goes to show what a terrific little company they are -- in the absence of any real competition, they choose to maintain a level of quality that rivals the leaders of other related industries.) The more time that they devote to minis, the less time they devote to developing new sets (and reworking the classic sets w/o bowties). Making minis would involve trying to enter a market that is already very competitive and would probably require them to deal with retail distributors again.

I have no doubt that DF minis would have the same beauty and quality of their current products, but I don't think it is a direction they should go. Just my opinion.
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#30626
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
A lot of these uses for commoner minis sound like corner cases, something that would occur 5% of the time or less.

I don't use terrain & minis for roleplay/npc interaction...it's just for fighting or adventure site exploring. Laying out a bunch of terrain and minis when the players visit the pub or go shopping for rope....ugh....the tedium! You only have so many hours to game, it seems like a waste to spend 15 minutes setting up "yee olde village green" so you can ask the old man where the dungeon is.

And nothing on a table is going to match what's in your imagination. The tavern is dark and smokey. The nubile dancing girls flimsy silks weave through the air. Potent gouts of hashish smoke pour out of the hookas. Dogs lick the vomit and spilled beer off of the floor. That's going to have a lot more impact as a description than a diorama.

Besides the "I'm a thief so I'll try to steal everything/from everyone" or the murdering sociopath PCs would be unable to resist all the temptations...

I can't see DF producing commoners being a good business decision.
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#30627
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
"Non-combatants" definately play a bigger role in games with a lot of RP in them. ...
I disagree. Plenty of quality RP and conversations with imaginary people about imaginary things can happen w/o miniatures.

Besides, no commoner merchant is going to resemble my amazing NPCs. I give them vivid descriptions, personality traits, even draw pictures of them sometimes. Ozalam Zaharr the Prince of Merchants and his llama the King of Camels? His stained leather vest, his elf-slippers, his hook-nose, his greasy hairy chest. Going to come through a lot more vividly w/o a miniature.
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#30628
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
"Non-combatants" definately play a bigger role in games with a lot of RP in them. ...
I disagree. Plenty of quality RP and conversations with imaginary people about imaginary things can happen w/o miniatures.

Besides, no commoner merchant is going to resemble my amazing NPCs. I give them vivid descriptions, personality traits, even draw pictures of them sometimes. Ozalam Zaharr the Prince of Merchants and his llama the King of Camels? His stained leather vest, his elf-slippers, his hook-nose, his greasy hairy chest. Going to come through a lot more vividly w/o a miniature.

I did not mean to imply that creativity can be substituted with a pretty miniature (Pre-painted or otherwise for that matter)... My point was more that Commonors are more likely TO BE useful in a RP heavy setting.

A GM must be a vivid story-teller if they are going to keep players involved in the story. No mini can replace that. But the fact that you would bother to draw a picture suggests that there can still be a visual element to the incredible detail that you obviously include in your games.

That said, I would rarely set up an intricate environment within any setting if it was just to ask an NPC one question. I do, however, like to encourage players to get involved with their environment, explore it, figure out the possibilities so-to-speak. Whole games [sessions not campaigns] can take place in one basic location for instance. Let's say the party is investigating a mystery that surrounds the local Inn or Tavern a heavy night of role-play could easily take place right there. In such situations I like having the commonors available for any number of possible what-ifs... Of course I am just as fond of a good town adventure as I am a dungeon crawl... And to be fair, either can be done with nothing but pencils and paper... But I happen to like the extra mystique of creating an interactive play area... Maybe I just like toys! *Woot*...

Regardless, it sounds like you have a great system and I am not trying to convince you or anyone that you (or they) should do anything differently if it works. (If it's not broke don't fix you know?)Just offering my opinion on why "I" like to have the odd-ball minis available.

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#30629
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
I can't see DF producing commoners being a good business decision.
I agree with this. DnD plastic, reaper, and a few other companies pretty much cover the market for mini's

That said, to paraphrase Monte Cook, there is no wrong way to play the game. What is tedious for one player (setting up the village green) may be the bees knees for another. The mini I want the most is Desert of Desolation is the farmer holding a pig.

Yeah, I suck at details of a tavern and describing the subtleties of an NPC. A mini to represent them may be just the thing to get me through it without sucking too much. Of course, maybe I was raised too much on Kenner Star Wars toys back in the 80's, and just need that tactile and visual crutch to help my imagination....

Either way, commoner mini's help me be a better DM, and while some may not understand that, or even like it, that's how it is...

Oh, and for diorama's of a tavern or whatever, commoner mini's are very useful.

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#30630
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
A GM must be a vivid story-teller if they are going to keep players involved in the story. No mini can replace that.
Oh thank god my players don't read this board, they are going to start demanding more out of my gaming sessions.....

But then again, the story my players are most interested in is there own.. more specifically them getting better treasure and more levels.....

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#30631
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
And no level of description can replace a good layout and accurate placement of (and representation by) minis when combat breaks out. Few things are more aggravating than having a GM constantly tell you that you can't attack an enemy, or getting ganked by "unseen" opponents, because of details that exist in the GM's head and noplace else.

An urban game (set in Ptolus, perhaps), a game that occurs primarily in populated areas (instead of isolated wilderness or dungeons), or a game that centers around a particular town or village will probably need commoner minis on a fairly regular basis.
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#30632
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
I'm not for DF making any new minatures per se - I'm happy with the product as/for what it is...

However I have - of late - been gathering up townspeople/villagers and such - and am starting to paint away (haven't found any pre-painted at all...well maybe a few pre-painted D & D I can use...) - and I'm finally going to put my Med building sets to use (town is about 1/3 to 1/2 built. All this activity is to support a Holloween game I'm going to be running for my kids and their friends. I will set up a town - full of people (including guards and such as well) and the players will be the monsters with an objective to overun the town (and I'll be handing out points for kills and destroying things) - I'm calling it the Trick or Treat dungeon game of course! So I have ordered all of the Reaper Towns Folk series I can find, megaminis and some Foundry...to add to the few I already have painted up (mostly priests/clerics and such...so yeah the cathedral is already built!). Any other suggestions of where to find good townsfolk/civilians would be great - though I am pretty much running out of time to paint them and set the game up. Anyway - I'll try to post some pics at some point.
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#30633
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
i see use for commoners in the follwing situations:

1) PCs get into a tavern brawl
2) PCs have to protect a village from an orc rais or such (really existing for high level play)
3) PCs have a fight against the evil Wizard/Priest whatever and the innocent villagers are charmed puppets
4) PCs have a fight in the city streets break out and there are innocent bystanders (so do you really want to lob the fireball "there" ??)
5) PCs have rescued some civilians and are attacked on the way back to the city
6) PCs have to guard a merchant caravan
7) PCs have to rescue a maiden in distress

thats some of the ideas already mentioned and that came to my mind.

You are correct there is no big need for commoners, but some.
Think they will only put out a few, and we already have 2:
- Farmer
- Prisoner

What i'm in for is a mainden, since for the Miniature Game she could be a sorceress
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#30634
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
Well you can get some of these already if you want a Maiden, Golden Wyvern Initiate and Celric of Sune make good maidens.

Heck it's what i did to some of my D&D minis to make Non-Coms in my SW game, i just need more. these are the most recent ones i made into non-coms..
ATG - Golden Wyvern Initiate (cut staff off, nice Royal type)
DoD - Snale cultist (also lop staff not too bad)
Uh - Cleric of Sune (lop mace)
Uh - Cormyrean War Wizard (staff removal)
BW - Elf Warmage (nix dagger)
BW - Half-Orc Spy (again nix dagger)


The biggest problem i tend to have is the Really Silly posses some minis are put in, many monks can make great non coms if it weren't for the jumping and leaping posses.

oh and Green_kinght there is another Commoner, the actually Commner Figure from Harbinger.
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#30635
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
Village Priest aint bad for commoners either.....also, Sage, Healer (with or without their staff's removed) Dark Moon Monk (with blades removed) and that Blond haired, pink dressed elven mini (forget the name and set) works pretty well as too.
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#30636
Deamonweb has Objects!??! 5 Years, 9 Months ago  
Yup used all of those for Non Coms in SW, but was sticking to newer sets. some of those go a long ways back.
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