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#28807
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Well, I have to say that when I first took them out of their boxes I didn't like them. Something about the paint, or sculpts or plastic turned me off. And there are certainly some glaring examples of bad paiting as L pointed out like the Trog, Orc, Runecarved Eidolon, Centipede, and even the Drow. There seems to me to be something about the way they are sculpting them now which makes them seem/feel more like just blobs of plastic than previous editions. Many more seem to be sculpted and cast (if you cast plastic?) as one whole peice rather than several that are then glued together and this makes some (likle the Trog and even perhaps the Silver Dragon or the Drow Spider gaurd and the way his sheild is cast attached to his body...?) seem less "real" that previous sets if this makes any sense...

Also, the feel of the plastic seems different - more stiff and less bendy - and my first ever mini came with a broken piece of plastic (the ettin's axe head) though some have said this quality of the plastic could simply be a natural curing time variance?

However, I have to admit that on close inspection many of the minis do have good details and paint jobs. There are white eyebrows painted on the drow, the Hobgoblin (even though I don't like the head carrying for an uncommon) has lots of colors, as does the Defiant Rake and Everfrost Ranger even has his moustache painted on pretty well!

Some poses are pretty cool, like the Hag and Red Dragon and Orb Wizard and Defiant Rake....

So ultimately I'd say I like them and am happy with them but I also feel that there is a "something" about them that is different and kinda naggin at me....maybe its simply the curing of my case, or maybe the spectre of 4e looming in my subconcious or maybe simply that after 6000+ minis my collecting career is winding down and just don't get as excited over them as I use to?

I'd like to see the Hellsword and Eye of Flame and Rakshasa minis in hand eventually too as they were the major Rares my case didn't contain....

ps - There are certain spots where it seems like the paint is a tad shiny, but its certainly not glossy paint accross the board.
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#28808
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I have noticed that my interest in the minis kinda ebbs and flows. The last set, I was too busy to really do much with -- so it's kinda been awhile for me, and that may account in part for my interest this time around. Although I also remember getting the feeling that all the humanoid figs were starting to run together for me, and I really only liked the monsters in each set -- this set seems to have a higher proportion of monsters than some, at least that's the impression it gave me. Maybe I'm putting the cart before the horse -- I like the set, so I'm concluding from that that there must be more monsters...

I have to say -- and I considered starting a new thread for this -- I also picked up some of the prepainted plastic Confrontation templars recently, and they do sorta blow DDM out of the water. If Rackham ever decided to do a wider variety of creatures, like in their metal line, they could pose a real challenge, despite the higher price. In some ways, the excessive matte finish of these, and the design generally, feels more Mage Knight than DDM to me, and I would technically prefer consistency in my collection. But still, the figures themselves are so well done -- there's one templar without a helm, with just a human face and hood, and the detail in his face, the quality of hte paint job, makes every single DDM human face look like a blob of painted goo. The Confrontation figures are far from perfect, but they do, IMHO, set the bar for prepainted plastic.

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#28809
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
camoudragon has pulled a wyvern and i must say such a low paintjob on a rare is simply disgusting.
Only a shiny green paind, and tongue, teeth and eyes are the only details painted diffrent.

But i must admit the Ascendent hellsword is really a good one.

I also got a griffon, and it is a really tiny one, only as big as the timber wolf.
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#28810
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
It would seem to me that the art style for 2.0(4e) is going to be more bright and bold and less realism. Personally, I'm totally fine with this. Sometimes, we get caught up in our minis looking so REAL, myself included, and then I remember that these represent fantasy creatures in a fantasy world so reality has very little to do with it. I think that is even more true for us diehard Dwarven Forge collectors because their stuff DOES look so real, that we want our minis to feel right when used in conjunction.

When I put the new beholder, red dragon, griffon, minotaur, etc., next to their old counterparts, the newer ones look more interesting and intimidating. Some of the older ones just look so plain next to the newly designed minis with the bolder paint styles. As with any set, some of the minis have been given more attention than others, but overall I am quite pleased with my case. And frankly, the Ice Archon is sooo nice to hold up to the light!

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#28811
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I've noticed this kind of thing, too. I looked at the two Hook Horrors, for example, and while the new figure does have some glaring color clashes -- the contrast between the yellow claws, purple back, and grey body is sharp and a little jarring -- I have to admit the earlier figure looks a little underdetailed and undercolored by comparison. The new one is just more elaborate and more dramatically posed -- needs tweaking, sure, but it is technically an improvement in many areas. (I fixed the one thing I hated about it most by cutting off the claw that's behind it and turning it around, so now he looks less like a member of a chorus line)

I remember thinking that 3e designs were too cyberpunky for me, too Magic: The Gathering, and just in general reflected a post-McFarlane look, where nobody's armor is ever symmetrical, where everyone has straps everywhere and so on -- but then when I went back to my 1e stuff, so much of the art is cartoonish and, frankly, not very good -- I had to admit 3e art was on the whole an improvement. It just takes getting used to the change, is all...

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#28812
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I like the fact that there is an interest from the artistic community to give us change. For so many years we all viewed the monsters, armor and PCs the same way. Now we have choice and choice is always good. THe fact that we can have these talks is great. The more artists that do this the more choice we will have. This is great!

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#28813
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I like the fact that there is an interest from the artistic community to give us change. For so many years we all viewed the monsters, armor and PCs the same way. Now we have choice and choice is always good. THe fact that we can have these talks is great. The more artists that do this the more choice we will have. This is great!

-Shadox

Actually, I think that specific point is what bugged me about the art in 3e. In the first edition, as I remember it, there were a handful of creatures that always looked a certain way -- trolls come to mind -- but they hadn't yet come to the decision that all dragons would have constant "looks" (blues with the big nose horn, for example, or blacks with a horse-skull face). And whenever fighters or magic-users or elves were depicted, they tended to look like whatever the given artist wanted them to look like.


But with 3e, not only did we get a complete homogenization of monster types, so that every single umber hulk, black dragon, purple worm, or whatever would always look like basically the same creature in a different setting, we also got "characters" so that every dwarf, halfling, or whatever would always be Tordek or Lidda etc., and the armor would always be the same, etc. It meant that instead of "human fighter" or "elf magic-user" we always got the same look in every book, and that really made the world feel smaller to me. I didn't get to see nearly the same variety of class/race combinations. (they SOMEWHAT made up for it by the insane proliferation of prestige and other new classes, so each new rulebook would give us a lot of different images -- but it was always "Purple Dragon Knight Kithslayer" instead of "Oh, a Paladine can also look THIS way...")


I would love it if WOTC relaxed the need to turn D&D into G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, or for that matter a Marvel comic, by moving away from this "personality"-centered approach to artwork. But it ain't gonna happen. And it might be a bad idea, from a marketing standpoint -- we live in a world of licensed properties, and there does seem to be a firmly entrenched belief that the consumer is wary of "generic" images and will more likely buy something if it depicts a much-beloved or easily-recognized character. The most popular boys action figure line in decades was never "Space Pirate Battles," after all....

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#28814
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I just picked up a starter set and a few boosters to see for myself if I wanted to bother to get a case or not.

I was pretty impressed with the paint quality on the starter figures (poor Young Green Dragon sculpt not withstanding). The non-blind selection was a good incentive for Wizards to put a little extra effort into these figures. The $15 price isn't bad for the set but I would have gladly paid another $5 for a few more basic creature figures (can't ever have too many goblins, orcs, skeletons and such). As an intro set, a Yaun-Ti and a Dragon are a little too limited IMO.

Now, as far as the boosters go. I agree with most of the impressions and assessments about sculpts and paint quality stated bofore this post. Like previous releases, this set has some swimmers and some sinkers. Unfortunately, so much has been released previously that many in this set do seem like a simple re-hash. When the earlier sets were released, many of the figures were new to the playing field and had no precedent and we were just happy to be able to field a Grick model. Now Wizards has set a precedent and, on too many, fall very short. In my mind, that severely diminishes my need to get a case. Granted, we saw this in earlier sets as well, like the Displacer Beast and then the Displacer Beast Lord but there just seem to be too many re-hashes this time around that I think I'll only get the singles I want off of Ebay.

Maybe it was Wizards intent to re-introduce so many so rapidly in the 2.0 rules before they decided to go back and re-tool the previous set stats after so much fan fury. The selection may have already been determined and in the works.

Oh well, so I save money this time around and wait and see what the next series brings. It just means I'll have more to spend on the upcoming DF releases :D
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#28815
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
I got the minis yesterday, and I'm pleased the ones I got. The shadow panther, admittedly, has a bit of a mane going, but will still work quite well for the shadow familiar for my NPC gnome hexblade. The Medium centipedes are nice sculpts; I may touch up the paint job on them.

The kobold archers are cool. You can never have too many kobolds.

The bulettes rock! The next outdoor adventure will be fun.

Now I have to get to painting up the Confrontation winged goblin mutant as a goblin vampire (with 5 levels of monk). He's already driven the players crazy in the chasm, and that was only in passing (and in wolf form). Mist plus swarms of bats are enough to make most fighters scream uncle.

"You mean my axe does zero damage? Crap!"

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#28816
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Heads up about a bad online dealer -- Popularcollections has @#$@#ed me twice now. Once they took forever to get an order out, and only when I asked them did they clarify that they had oversold an item and waited to ship mine until they got new ones in. I told myself I'd never do business with them again, but they tend to list pre-orders first so I caved and snagged some singles before Dungeon of Dread came out. Sure enough, weeks went by, I sent them a message asking them where my order was, and they let me know they did it again!

Very frustrating. What's the point of ordering from a place because they list early if you know there's a good chance they'll ship weeks LATE?!?

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#28817
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
L

wow, popularcollections was awesome a few years back for acquiring tons of DDM.... I ded see their site down a few months back and wonder if perhaps your problem with them is due to some type of change (perhaps company ownership or software "upgrade").

Thanks for the heads up. I was considering picking up some 2.0 figs there and will shop around to see if I can get them elsewhere.
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#28818
New D&D minis 6 Years, 3 Months ago  
Don't forget, Auggie has a new web-store thats even cheaper than his e-bay store:

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