Welcome, Guest
Please Login or Register.    Lost Password?

Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold
(1 viewing) (1) Guest
Go to bottomPage: 12
TOPIC: Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold
#26790
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Some of you know I dabble in a bit of HA stuff as well, though I don't do anything as extensive as I used to. In any case, over the summer I picked up one of Bruce's fantastic cavern molds, which I used to make rocks for my DF caverns.

Now Bruce has released an accessory mold, one of several he has planned out. If you check out the HA forums, there are pics of some elements he didn't include this time around, but will in the future.

But in the meantime, the first mold is now out. With it, you can make everything in this pic:

www.hirstarts.com/molds/p85L.jpg

(well, you can make all the ACCESSORIES in the pic, not the background cavern itself)

I don't really have time to cast or paint right now, but in the future, this seems like a great idea for me. It's SLIGHTLY less tempting since by this point I already have more barrels etc. than I know what to do with. But there are still some pretty sweet pieces here. I like the giant supported cask, I love the switch/lever thing, I like the crystal ball, and the fountain, and crystals are always fun, and that brazier seems pretty sweet too. And the wooden pieces look nice. It's a good mold, not quite as fantastic as the cavern rock ones, but really useful for people who don't already own more than enough chests, crates, sacks, etc.

L
Law
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 3205
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
The administrator has disabled public write access.
"In every real man a child is hidden that wants to play."

-- F. Nietzsche
 
#26791
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Very nice indeed! The doors too are cool!

If you EVER want to cast, paint and sell a batch - please let me know...I'm eagerly awaiting!!!

:D
Harneloot
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 2561
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Champion of the 6" DOE Hallway!VINDICATION!~!

NASCRAG Champions 2011!
 
#26792
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
L,

Do you case in resin or plaster? I tried to case a couple of times but find that the plaster chips after some time. Never tried resin. Afraid of cost and mess. What do you use?

-Shadox
Shadox
Minotaur
Posts: 1093
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Location: Somewhere Else
The administrator has disabled public write access.
We Search our whole life never finding what we were searching for...
Over 143 Sets (Expanding), 300+ Loose Pieces (Expanding), 11,000 plastic figures (Expanding), 1,000 metal figures (350 actually painted)
 
#26793
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
I use plaster, and I agree -- one of the reasons I lost my early enthusiasm for HA was the fragility problem. Over time, storing HA creations felt like a pain, because the stuff is just so fragile. DF doesn't pose NEARLY the same problem.

HA, I think, is really great as a tool for the dedicated. But I do find it absurd that the casual gaming crowd tends to laud them as a cheap alternative to other products simply because you "do it yourself." Buying the 2-5 molds you'd need to make anything interesting would cost about $150-200 in molds alone, plus plaster costs, and paint, and brushes. And if you want more sturdy creations, use more plaster, or get into resin. If you want to make casting take less time, get more molds, or buy resin and make your own molds of things like already-completed-walls etc. But that's a LOT of work, AND more money.... really, by the time you've saved money, you've put in a HUGE amount of work, built a TON of stuff.... and if you aren't the best painter out there, you STILL won't have anything that looks as good as most pre-built stuff (in particular, of course, DF)

I have to say, you've hit a sore point with me... I really do like HA for what it can do, but once anyone brings up the issue of fragility, I get riled up. It seems like you either have fragile creations, or far more expensive, messier-to-build, more-involved creations... Not a choice I relish...

L
Law
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 3205
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
The administrator has disabled public write access.
"In every real man a child is hidden that wants to play."

-- F. Nietzsche
 
#26794
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Yeah i ahve been watching the Accesories, i like the idea of a number of them but not sure...
And Resin seems to work fine on some of this, i just built some of the Sci-fi in Resin recently and it worked pretty well

L check your mail.... i have another proposition for ya ;)
Ghenghis Ska
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 2373
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Location: Northeast CT, USA
The administrator has disabled public write access.
More Sci Fi Please, request a DEAD END for Sci Fi Passages
Classes of the Old Republic
Some RPG and mini stats including the Exodus and AAT (along with good source of a Mini scale version of the AAT).
 
#26795
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
L

Thanks for the alert. I was following the HA pages on news - but I visit them much less often as the pages here.

In regard to chipping: I only have experience with two materials - CrystaCal alphaK and Herculite II. According to a lot of information Herculite II is quite strong. But it was the only time I experienced breakage in some rough handled pieces. With CrystaCal alphaK I hardly ever had any issues. Yes - dropping a fully build tower sideways from 30 cm on a wooden table (thanks little daughter) resulted in two halfs of a tower.
But even then - chipping was quite minimal. I had a pretty clean breakage along the arrow slits or were I glued the stuff together. Smaller bits have fallen a few times with no real issues.

Having said this - I wouldn't use it for the open / empty chests and barrels / buckets. While you can cast that stuff in plaster you have to be careful with it. On the other hand - if you cast the chest you probably need a hammer to get it cracked using something like CrystaCal alphaK.

The downside - I once tried to sand a row of stones to enable a roof to fit. It took me damn two hours to do that.

2Shadox

Polyurethane is quite simple to use and not that messy. I use some old jam glass for mixing and some wood to stir. Take the 1:1 stuff - have some decent scales - and it is pretty painless.

Cost:
There are two issues - shipping and material. Shipping (at least here in the UK) is pretty expensive for small amounts as the stuff is regarded as a chemical and needs a dedicated courier to be shipped. This is awkward for small amounts (2 pounds or so) as in this case shipping can be as expensive as material.

Material cost:
You pay by weight. For some big items / projects this can add up A LOT. Looking at the accesories it seems most don't use up that much of material. Therefore they are pretty cheap material wise. Well - with the exemption of the big barrel I guess. One of these will 'cost' you as much as all the other parts.

The downside - mixing is easier in bigger batches. For 200g you have +/- 1g to be 1% off (100g of A and B to be measured - therefore 1% of half the total amount). For 20g (which might last for 60% of items) you need to be pretty accurate. But it can be done.

Thod
Thod
Minotaur
Posts: 1050
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Location: Deal, United Kingdom
The administrator has disabled public write access.
 
#26796
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Casting, resin versus plaster.

Okay, here goes.
I have @ 7 HA molds. Haven't used any of them, because they DO take a LOT of molds to make anything with. I've made some molds of DF stuff (always stuff Stefan and Jeff DON'T make, or didn't make at the time) and only for personal use only. It took me FOUR ATTEMPTS to do a mold for a 6" Sci-Fi wall (And THEN they came with the Beta set!), and wound up making a 3-piece mold in silicone rubber! OOOF! This was before MicroMark came out with their almost clear silicon rubber; that would have been SO much easier. Oh, well.
Making ANYTHING yourself can be frustrating if you have to use multiple-part molds. If you are making something that takes assembly, such as with the HA molds, it will take a while also. And then there is the painting part of it as well.
If you are in it just to get a particular piece for a game, then my suggestion is cobble up whatever you can from whatever you have. UNLESS you are after a work of art; in that case, suffer as much as you must to get the EXACT piece you need.
If you are an artiste, suffer for your art. It's good for your soul anyway.
If you are a modeler, like I am, then build to your heart's content.
In any case, IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, by all means, build in RESIN! Plaster is usually going to be cheaper, and if you must be able to break the piece, plaster MUST be used, but for durability, RESIN is the ONLY WAY to go (unless you have the strength to use concrete! - but I'M not coming to your house to carry that monster!). But resin IS more expensive - by as much as 3-4 times the cost. Or more, depending on several factors, including amount, locale, shipping, taxes, etc. And some resins can have odor problems, too, while curing. But if these problems can be overcome, then resin is definitely the way to go.

Just my personal observations.
jkratzer
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 2057
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Location: Baltimore, MD
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Jim Kratzer, a/k/a The Mad Yank
Proud Vietnam Veteran, LOUD VFW Lifer
insane GM
 
#26797
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
hmmm... concrete... now there's an idea jkratzer! I remember several years back some of my friends mentioning having to build a concrete canoe in college for a materials course. There are some 'lightweight' concrete solutions I remember hearing about at the time, things like using styrofoam (polystyrene?) beads as the aggregate to make something much lighter than you'd get with crushed rock. Not sure how close you could get to the weight of resin or plaster, but it might be interesting to try out.
fiddy
Orc
Posts: 147
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Gender: Male Location: Indianapolis, IN
The administrator has disabled public write access.
 
#26798
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
hmmm... concrete... now there's an idea jkratzer! I remember several years back some of my friends mentioning having to build a concrete canoe in college for a materials course. There are some 'lightweight' concrete solutions I remember hearing about at the time, things like using styrofoam (polystyrene?) beads as the aggregate to make something much lighter than you'd get with crushed rock. Not sure how close you could get to the weight of resin or plaster, but it might be interesting to try out.
OMG, what have I DONE!!
Jim, can't you EVER keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT? WHAT is this guy's WIFE going to think? He's going to go down in his basement, get a hernia trying to make game accessories with concrete, and YOU'RE going to get a lawsuit for inspiring such CRAZY IDEAS!
But I didn't think anyone would take me seriously. I mean, who'da thunk anybody would really try to make DF stuff out of CONCRETE?
Both of you shut up while I figure a way out of this mess!

Hey fiddy;

You only THOUGHT I was normal, didn't you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

All kidding aside, a VERY lightweight concrete, with styrofoam instead of stone aggregate as a filler, might actually work - I really don't know. Keep us posted on this project, okay?

Jim
jkratzer
Minotaur Lord
Posts: 2057
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Location: Baltimore, MD
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Jim Kratzer, a/k/a The Mad Yank
Proud Vietnam Veteran, LOUD VFW Lifer
insane GM
 
#26799
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Don't worry Jim, I knew you weren't normal already ;) And you're safe for now. I've got no basement to go to :( (wish I could have afforded that option when I was building my house).

My post was more to suggest it to those more crafty than I (I'm still trying to find the time / motivation to finish getting some pre-cast items painted, no way I'm ready to take the plunge into casting my own things... yet)
fiddy
Orc
Posts: 147
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
Gender: Male Location: Indianapolis, IN
The administrator has disabled public write access.
 
#26800
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Hey fiddy, you could always do what I'm doing. Set aside a huge pile of pre-cast and self cast stuff into the lower level of the house, vowing to find time to do it some time in the 'near' future and irritate the heck out of your wife due to the ever growing stash of goodies buidling up around her 'neat' house!
lupus
Orc
Posts: 343
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
The administrator has disabled public write access.
 
#26801
Another cool Hirst Arts accessory mold 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
hmmm... concrete... now there's an idea jkratzer! I remember several years back some of my friends mentioning having to build a concrete canoe in college for a materials course. There are some 'lightweight' concrete solutions I remember hearing about at the time, things like using styrofoam (polystyrene?) beads as the aggregate to make something much lighter than you'd get with crushed rock. Not sure how close you could get to the weight of resin or plaster, but it might be interesting to try out.
OMG, what have I DONE!!
Jim, can't you EVER keep your BIG MOUTH SHUT? WHAT is this guy's WIFE going to think? He's going to go down in his basement, get a hernia trying to make game accessories with concrete, and YOU'RE going to get a lawsuit for inspiring such CRAZY IDEAS!
But I didn't think anyone would take me seriously. I mean, who'da thunk anybody would really try to make DF stuff out of CONCRETE?
Both of you shut up while I figure a way out of this mess!

Hey fiddy;

You only THOUGHT I was normal, didn't you? :lol: :lol: :lol:

All kidding aside, a VERY lightweight concrete, with styrofoam instead of stone aggregate as a filler, might actually work - I really don't know. Keep us posted on this project, okay?

Jim

I cast using hydrostone, which is a blend of plaster of paris and cement.
blairgb
Orc
Posts: 299
User Offline Click here to see the profile of this user
The administrator has disabled public write access.
Advanced Builder - Cavern x2 - Cavernous Passages x3 - Deluxe Room x2
Den of Evil x 2 - Fantasy Floors - Narrow Passage - Octagonal Room - Ogre's Den
Room and Passage x2 - Room Set - Traps Set 1 - Traps Set 2 - Wicked Additions
Wicked Additions II - Accessories - Furniture - Treasure
 
Go to topPage: 12
Your Cart:
0 Items Order Total: $0.00

0 Product
$0.00



Login to see your account info

Once you login you will be able to see your different account areas here, order history, shipping information and your account information.