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Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
It was me who posted "future plans" on the 4th page Post #100

"Reaperbryan wrote:
date=Apr 26 2007, 10:20 AM
The next 2 sets of Legendary Encounters Releases will include Goblins, Zombies, A Gnoll, An Ettin, A Demoness, Kobolds, A Bathalian, Ghosts, A Succubus, and A Giant Worm. Would those be helpful?"

No specifics as to what is in which wave 2 and 3.

Odds are with 10 listed
2-3 Goblins, 2-3 Zombies, 2-3 Kobolds, 2-3 Ghosts, making up 60% or so of the wave
Then 1-2 Gnolls (cause he latter said it shouldn't have been "a gnoll, and there were 2 comming out), the Ettin, Demoness, Bathalian (mindflayer), Succubus, Giant Worm for the other 3 in the wave giving the 9 fig format they have now.
2 "common/grunt" species with multiples of it, then a few "Uncommon/Rare" to round out the wave.
Honestly don't think that is a good idea, and i just told reaper that...
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#25664
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I would like to see them do some bartenders and barmaids, and people sitting...stuff to populate our medieval building sets with...perhaps i will mention that to them at Gen Con.
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#25665
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I agree with Stefan I need many commoners, villages, townsfolks, etc. I have only a few from megaminis but from an era in my life when I could not paint. (not that I am much better now) Buying prepainted would rock. Thanks Stefan for thinking of our needs and I bet that reaper could make ou twith a line like that.

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#25666
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'll third that! I'm really looking forward to the Reaper children that are due in a month or so, the latest in their Townsfolk series. I plan to get at least two, maybe even three, even though I doubt I'll have much time to paint. But still, lots of kids would be great for inns and towns, and this set has a nice enough mix that you could get a feel of a whole hamlet just by painting up several sets in varied colors -- it has a baby, two toddlers, and an older girl (plus two chickens!).

This is it, btw:
www.reapermini.com/gallery/Previews/3233_G

If Reaper doesn't do the townfolk thing in their prepainted line, Stefan, I vote for a slight exemption to the embargo against minis from DF -- with the MBS line looking so strong, it'd be great to see some seated figures, sleeping figures (for the beds!), barkeeps, waitresses, even strumpets and bouncers, to populate it!

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#25667
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
Just hopped on the Enworld forums and while the reviews are not exactly glowing, there seemed to be a fairly even mix of acceptance and condemnation. The line may not be as doomed as first comments here indicate.

Also, I would be interested in seeing if anyone over the Enworld forums does use the dipping technique on the Reaper minis to give it more definitiion and shading and see what the results look like :) I might still be interested in picking some up....probably thel arger figures :)
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#25668
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Yeah i'm just getting the large guys from this wave, the Ogre and Troll, which may be enough to make this wave not a bust. if enough people get the larges or a chunk of them that's still 33% of the first line, which in a kind of scarry thing could be enough to float it till the next one.

You Go Stefan, tell them to make Townies in "PPM", I added it to wishlist they have going, (heck if everyone from here who did as well it might make a dent)...
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#25669
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The townies would be great !!! I would get those even if I did need to touch up the paint jobs !! Now THOSE would have been an IDEAL first offering for Reaper to enter the game with since there really aren't many townsfolk type pre-paints out there. Solid business model there ... fill an empty niche rather than trying to cram into a full one. Besides, Reaper already has a great selection of Townsfolk to start with in their Dark Heaven lineup.


The problem I have with the Legendary Encounters' paint job is that they were only "acceptable" when the pre-painted industry was in it's infancy around 7 years ago. In that time, we've seen quite a bit of growth in that industry and some really amazing strides in the quality of pre-paints. The skeletons, for example, are so thickly coated that they look "flat". A thinner coat of paint, on black plastic, would have allowed that base black to come through (especially in the recesses) and create a decent shading effect and add a lot of depth to the models. I want pre-paints because they are pre-painted ... I don't want to have to "re-paint the pre-paints".

Additionally, the model choices are also questionable and self-limiting. Sure, gamers all need cannon-fodder basics, but who doesn't already have those after 13 sets of D&D minis ?? Even if, like me, you didn't begin with Harbinger you probably have plenty of orcs and skeletons. Unless, of course, you're trying to build a legion for massed combat.

Finally, the small number in the initial offering is further limiting to hit a wide demographic. Granted, I don't know what Reaper's release schedule is, but I don't care to wait months between releases for sub-par sets of a small selection of figures hoping that they catch up to the quality curve that we see other manufacturers setting. While they may be economical, DDMs on Ebay are even more-so. And for the "specials" that the DDM Rares don't fill, I'll pay the premium for some of the new Confrontation figs that Rakham is putting out.

I'm certainly not giving up on Reaper, at all. I do hope they can recover (in my eyes) from what is a less-than-stellar introduction. I'd like to see them improve (albeit rapidly) ... the ability is there, as we've seen, in the industry to put out a solid, good quality, reasonably priced product. Reaper's Legendary Encounter's, however, has placed them in a "need to catch up" position which is tenuous, at best, when they are the newcomer in the field.

Now, The Townsfolk Series ... that's the way Reaper could get my cash no matter what the pre-paints look like !!


Maybe because I collect Dwarven Forge I have a desire to populate such quality environments with quality miniatures. No riff raff in my dungeons ... only quality cannon fodder to soil my adventurers' blades ;)
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#25670
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
I just want to add, anyone REALLY interested in this topic, if you haven't already, check out the forum at the Reaper site -- they've had a rep (maybe more than one) address concerns, and after hearing what they had to say, I'm more optimistic about this line.

The paint jobs are the paint jobs -- nothing can be said. I've defended them a LITTLE, but they certainly don't overwhelm.

But other concerns -- including the wave 1 choice of creatures -- worry me less now. Reaper wants to keep these things circulating as long as it's financially feasible to do so. They aren't going to stop production, the way WOTC does, on a set regardless of how well-received it was. They also really do want to emphasize the feature of buying whatever you want, in whatever quantities you want, without having to trade, find singles for sale somewhere, etc.

These two points, and the way Reaper wants to focus on them, makes me think that their primary target audience for these isn't even IN the hobby yet. It's people who like the things they see, but haven't taken the plunge yet because they don't like the "collectible" approach, and the minimum investment necessary to get started. People who don't paint, don't collect, and don't want to have to spend a ton to begin.

Those people don't have ANY WOTC. They've never bothered. They don't have any minis at all. And they don't want to GET any minis if starting the hobby means they have to keep up all the time, aggressively paying attention to what's out, or risk missing a set and having to pay mark-up on OOP pieces. They want to be able to buy just what they want, when they feel like it, in whatever quantity strikes them.

And if those people exist -- IF they exist -- in large enough numbers, Reaper could have a modest hit on its hands. It won't be huge, because let's face it, to be huge you probably HAVE to be collectible. WOTC has built into its model that it's better to buy a whole case, or even two or three, when a set comes out. That means they count on HUGE sales, very fast. But how well do things sell after that? I imagine things trickle down pretty quickly, and then stop altogether. I see the boosters gathering dust at the FLGS -- once the initial frenzy is over, you can barely GIVE DDM away. Of course, I admit, that could be true for my region only.

Reaper won't have a HUGE hit, because its audience for these doesn't binge like that. But they will have slow and steady sales to people who could be the lifeblood of a whole new market for the hobby.

It all depends on that big question -- how many people like this are out there? How many new gamers can LE bring into the fold?

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#25671
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
You know, I'm going to agree that townfolk would be a brilliant choice. Yeah, it's not sexy, but that's the point. They're not that interesting to paint, but you need them. Often, a lot of them.
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Thanks, L. I'll have to check out the Reaper Forums.

I am only giving my impressions of the product. I think, in general, all gamers should / need to be their demographic target. To take a fairly small niche, and further reduce it by alienating established gamers due to avoidably poor quality does signifigantly limit LE's potential. The "IF" they exist is a scary premise as well ... miniature games aren't typically found in your local Target and I'll be surprised if I see these figures main-streamed and on sale anywhere but in local hobby shops. Those shops, of course, have established gamers with their figures, and opinions, on display on game nights. These people are the word-of-mouth advertisers for any game company or product. If they are trying to draw new players "into the fold" how long will it be before those new players realize their options and move away from LE? How long, with their limited selection, can they sustain the new players? How and where do new players get into these hobbies in the first place? Word-of-mouth from established players, typically.

Again, I'm not slamming Reaper. Only the wisdom of this venture given what they've shown for their premier release. I was very excited by the news and had high hopes for these. Hopefully they can catch up to the established competition. Their "see what you buy" concept is great, but is that concept strong enough to carry uninspired miniatures? Only time will tell and I wish them the best ... but they won't get my financial support for this first lack-luster series. Had they been as good as we expected, I would have happily addded lots and lots to the ranks of my cannon- fodder. So, for now, I'll stick to DDM and Ebay...

For Reaper's sake, let's hope that Wizards doesn't come up with the "scenario packs" that fans have been clamoring for for years before Reaper can get their LE line established.
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#25673
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
I just want to add, anyone REALLY interested in this topic, if you haven't already, check out the forum at the Reaper site -- they've had a rep (maybe more than one) address concerns, and after hearing what they had to say, I'm more optimistic about this line.
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Which Threads, i have seen a few but i may have missed them, I think i know the one you are refering to (i'm am using a pointy stick in it) i'm still not sure who this is marketed at. I have been jabbing a bit (ok twice, and one of them a REALLY long post) to figure this out.
I never figured they were going to do limited runs on them, it's not the mindset of the way they are releasing the other minis, and these look pretty similar to how they release the metals, which are in it for the long haul. Make a few, put them out at a time and make more of the "good ones" when needed. But honestly the selection is really low on them to do anything to get me to buy these now. They REALLY need a long haul approach on this. I guess they are commited and not "damn the sales figures, full speed ahead" but more,
"were making them just like we did the other, it just so happens that we have a big backlog of figures from before, and these will take a while to get up to that amount and we are willing to put in the time."

I'm just not sure i'm willing to wait the 15 years it has taken for Reaper to get to this point with the metals to get to the same one with PPPM. I'll buy other stuff if i can get it in the mean time.

The Not in the hobby yet market also isn't going to wait 15 years either (yes it's an exageration) i think, to get the selection. while they scoff at the feeding frenzy of the DDM, so do i, i just buy a common + uncommon set and be done, and i'm still getting 36 minis in one shot for less than a buck each, I'm getting a large selection, easy. That selection is going to still grow quicker and larger with DDM than the Reapers, i don't think they sales for PPPM are going to do much untill they get a selection. i don't think they can cause they just isn't that much to buy.
The Feeding frenzy has the real benefit of giving a large selection quickly, and if you don't get into the Got to have them all mindset, you can get a decent large selection quick and cheap, over the whole year.
I just think they should have started with a larger selection in the intial to give the line some "umph" or "wow" factor and then slowly add. Not just dribble in over time....
Cause i'll buy what i need now if i can get it, and the long haul isn't helping me as a buyer.
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Good points GS - especially with DDM adding 180 new minis to their line each year....

DDM now has ~800 different minis to choose from. With 60 more (including a NEW umber hulk) coming in November...
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