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#25627
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Reaper's new pre-painted minis are coming on August 6!

They've got a full gallery of the initial set on their website. I am a little torn -- I knew not to expect TOO much, but these don't look quite as good as I'd hoped. They're not terrible, but... well, they aren't blowing WOTC out of the water, either. They won't be randomly packed, and you don't have a minimum $15 purchase (or $15 increments if you want more) but still... the quality isn't QUITE as high as I'd wanted.

The thing is, they suffer a bit in my eyes from being the same sculpts they've released as metals. In many instances, I've already painted these sculpts myself, and well... I prefer my paint job. I'm not sure how enthusiastic I can be about buying the same thing, but with a less elaborate paint job.

What that may indicate is that I'm not the target audience for these. What do people here think? All y'all who don't like to paint, are you excited for these? Do they meet your needs?

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#25628
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
I was looking forward to these, but I must admit, the lack of color variety on the big guys is a bit disappointing.


Oh well,

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#25629
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Have to admit, I agree with zoonat. I was looking forward to the figures as well. But having seen them now, I am disappointed. The figures seem to lack the great detail of their metal minis and the paint work seems flat and lifeless. A tad too glossy even, making the pieces look more like a child's toy soldier rather than a mini used for gaming. It may be the different plastic they are working with, but the pieces do appears a bit of a disppaointment.

And I am right bang smack in their target demographic.

Looks like I'm going to have to learn to paint. *sigh*
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#25630
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
They don't look that interesting, unfortunately, as I had great hopes for the line, knowing what Rackham is able to do with pre-painted plastic.

Whatever.

But there is still a hopeful glimmer on the horizon, as Rackham is about to go plastic with its fantasy game Ragnarok. Considering the quality of their pre-painted SF-game - AT-43 - I think Ragnarok is something to take a good look at when it arrives sometime this fall. AT-43 really is blowing WotC's SWM out of the water, if I may borrow your phrase... :-)
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#25631
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
L

I agree - they look a little bit disappointing to me as well. I was quiete interested when they were announced originally for some Mordheim Ork army I have. At that time I used the DF orks and some unpainted goblins.

With the DF orks I experienced some breakage - despite trying to be careful during transport. And yes - the goblins as stated above were unpainted. And I was working towards a troll to be added to the warband. So it looked like I would be a quite ideal target.

Since then I treated myself to the Vallejo Game colours and did my first serious miniature painting in year during my holiday. I now have a painted halfling army, half the goblins are painted up, a troll is pinted as well and there are enough orks I had lying around which are based and which I have started.

Funny - while I was exited early on it seems I go backwards in time and go down the metal mini and paint them myself route again.

So maybe if I see the minis on a fair and still need some I will be temped. Until then I will watch (and try to find some time again to get more figures painted and also to get back designing some terrain again).

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#25632
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
I think the "experiment" shows that it really isn't possible to produce painted minis that look nearly as nice as they should. The WOTC stuff is actually remarkably impressive, in that I'd say about 30-40 of any given expansion (of 60 minis) look quite good.

The DF minis were probably the most impressive pre-painted minis I'd ever seen, but clearly it wasn't financially viable for them to continue -- it may have been because they were spending more per mini than some of the larger companies, and with less capital to expend on the idea.

I do hope that people look past the disappointing paint jobs and consider the radical sales model, though. This is the only way to get prepainted minis for less than $15 incremements, which is a big deal. Even if you want to spend some money, it's nice to have more options than $15, $30, $45, or $60.

A quick word about the WOTC model:

The WOTC idea is great if you want to grab a bunch of minis all at once, and you like the idea of getting about 50 minis. If you buy a whole case, you can probably find a place that gives you a discount. I did. That runs about $100 or $125 (at least, it does for me). That case guarantees you 12 boosters of 8 figures each, for a total of 96 figures. If you sell about 40 of those figures, even for very little, to people who want to pay a lot less than you did (but who only get your rejects, after all) you can probably get maybe $20-30 back ($20 for 38 commons and uncommons, and maybe $10 for two rares you don't like). That means you'll have spent, in the end, about $80-90 on about 50-60 figures -- or less than $2 per mini. You get nearly a complete set of the new minis (all the commons and uncommons, and all but maybe 8-10 of the rares) and you get a nice lot of figures and you spend about as little as one CAN spend on minis these days, unless you're talking about being that aforementioned bargain-hunter.

So the WOTC stuff works out IF you want a lot of minis. If you just want a handful one day, if you just want a particular mini, it gets a lot worse. Woe unto you if you just want a particular 3 or 4 rares, usually the most impressive sculpts and paint jobs in a batch. Those will be $10-15 each, if you're lucky, meaning you'll spend almost as much on 3 minis as you would have on 30. And that's if you don't find yourself wanting the one everyone else wants, as happened with minis like the Beholder. Those can easily go for $50.

But what really bothers me is the way the system screws the casual collector and all but demands that you get a full case all at once. If you decide you want to buy just a few one day, and you're perfectly happy to get random figures -- maybe even enthused by the "Christmas morning" surprise factor... you still have to plonk down $15. That's a lot of money. If I want a couple of Reaper figs, I can grab a handful and pay $15-20, but I can also just buy one for $3-4. I can buy one for $5, or a larger one for $7. I certainly am not committed to spending $15 each time I want ANYTHING from them. And if you want TWO boosters, $30 -- your only options are $15, $30, or nothing. It just adds up so fast.

And if I already HAVE a case, it's even worse! Why would I spend $15 to get more commons and uncommons I've got already by the ton, and have been trying to sell to get some of my original investment back? And to risk the CHANCE that I'll get a new rare -- even if I do, it was a $15 mini. And if you DON'T have a case, it just means that every booster gives you the HOPE for a new rare, but every duplicate feels like a waste of money. With a case, you're guaranteed to get 12 unique rare figures, no repeats -- if you buy the same 12 in groups of 3 boosters for four visits, you are almost certain to get repeated rares. So that just means you may as well take the plunge and get the case -- the model effectively kills the whole concept of buying boosters to begin with, the $15 cost is too high when coupled with the random factor. It's too tempting to get a case and be done with it. And in the long run, you spend LESS money that way than you would have.

So the model for WOTC works for those willing to think in terms of whole sets, but for the casual buyer, it just gets more and more expensive. Personally, I think the move to $15 boosters was a huge mistake. Back in the day, when boosters were $12, I'd buy one or two here and there for the months after a release, just because it was a cheap, fun fix. For $12, I could avoid walking out of the store empty handed, with a pile of plastic crack. But at $15, it feels like just enough money that I really want to think before I spend it, and I realize how certain I am to own already most of what I'd be getting, and that money feels like it'd be wasted. So I pass.

What Reaper is offering is a chance to walk into a store and get some pre-painted minis for $4. That's really the big difference. And to be honest, it's something I'm happy to see. I'll probably buy some of these, partly to support the product and hope that future releases are more exciting, but partly because sometimes I want to spend $5-10 on random minis fun, and WOTC has made that all but impossible.

I'll be very curious to see how well these sell, and to see whether stores keep them in stock, and to see if the inevitable "pegwarmers" (I'm guessing those orcs, which to be honest were never my favorite sculpts to begin with -- too messy) kill retailer interest.

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#25633
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
I hate to admit it, but I'm very disappointed with their first wave of pre-painted minis. I did not care much for the sculpts or the paint selection. Hopefully they will be better in later releases (if there are any more).

Personally, I would love to see DF hire a team of artists to work with Stefan in creating a huge line of ultra-cool minis. I would gladly pay extra to have the DF quality that I get in my dungeon layouts, injected into my minis. Until that day happens, though, I guess I will be continuing to buy up Wizards pre-painted packs. Hopefully Reaper will release some better minis next go-round.

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#25634
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Aaaaarrrgghhhh!! My eyes! Help meeeeeeee...............
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#25635
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Heh heh heh....

You know, thinking more about this, I wonder if the choice of orcs and skeletons was not a mistake.

At the time, while the selection wasn't exactly thrilling, I conceded that it made a certain kind of sense. They are among the most popular, most "needed" monster types.

But now, seeing the figures.... well, it seems that so many people who have these monsters aren't exactly delighted to get these new additions. And even people without may find themselves seeking lots of WOTC skeletons on ebay rather than buy these....

Actually, to be fair, the skeletons don't strike me as too bad. Roughly on par with most of the WOTC stuff (some have been better, some worse). And getting 10-20 Reapers will be easier than getting 10-20 WOTC figs, at least for those who avoid the secondary market.

But those orcs... *shudder*

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#25636
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
Oh well, yeah they are not mind blowing but I'd like to see what others they come up with. Mainly interested if they do any of their larger monsters.
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#25637
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
What's the current top standard for pre-painted minis? WotC? Reaper? Mongoose? None.

It's Rackham.

www.at-43.com/produits_RBC101.php?lg=EN
www.at-43.com/produits_RBCH02.php?lg=EN
www.at-43.com/produits_THCH02.php?lg=EN
www.at-43.com/produits_UNC201.php?lg=EN

Click the thumbnails and find out... :-)
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#25638
Reaper pre-painted minis date announced, and full gallery up! 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
True, true, many people keep reminding us that the new Rackham stuff is fantastic, and the fantasy product will be just as good.

But until the fantasy stuff shows, it's not really the same discussion. Reaper's stuff, and the WOTC line, just aren't sci-fi, and so the quality of Rackham's sci-fi line is somewhat moot.

Of course, when it DOES show... well, that'll be a different story, won't it? :)

And then, even when Rackham does debut its fantasy plastics, it won't be quite the same. Reaper gives us hardcore oldschool RPG styles, and WOTC gives a mix of traditional and slightly Magic-influenced cyberpunk stuff. Rackham is just in another world -- nothing they produce will look like it came from the Monster Manual, and that means that the target audience is slightly different.

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