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#23882
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
OK, this isn't very recent news for people who really pay attention to these things, but I only found out about it, so it's recent news to me!

September 2007 -- that's this September for those folks who don't read carefully -- is going to see the very last issues of Dragon and Dungeon magazines. WOTC has said they are going to release informatoin online ONLY from now on.

This is just epic for me. Those magazines have been around so long... that's really sad.

Over at the WOTC forums, there's a lot of bile aimed at WOTC over this decision, but somehow I just can't bring myself to blame them. It sorta seems like these magazines probably WEREN'T profitable, and that with the new generation of gamers being so plugged in, and things like WOW making it worse all the time, clinging to that business model would probably have been a poor decision.

That said -- it's a poor musician who blames his instrument, and if WOTC couldn't market old-school D&D and the pen-and-paper (and miniature and resin!) alternative to online/computer gaming, then they DO bear the blame for the failure of all products related to the decline in interest in that industry. They really never seemed to know what to do with D&D....

In some ways, this is one of those consequences of being bought out by Hasbro. Hasbro, as any toy collector knows, is a company with huge overhead, and any of its products has to be outrageously successful to merit further attention. In the toy world, products that are released by smaller companies are considered a hit if they sell a FRACTION of what Hasbro considers the bare minimum needed to justify the investment. I believe that if D&D were owned by a smaller company, they'd be able to make it work at the sales levels WOTC is currently seeing. But because Hasbro is so large... well, it just doesn't work that way.

It's a shame.

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#23883
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
L,

It is funny that you posted this today. I just noticed this around 3am. It was a shock to me. I have many years of Dragon mag in boxes in my garage. I am not sure if it is the big brother syndrome as you mention or the fact that most of us that used Dragon mag have gotten older, and the magazine continued to cater to us instead of catering to the new generation of younger readers. (If they still read magazines) Time will tell if they do well as a ezine.

I am just glad that I am not the only one that is old school.

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#23884
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It feels like the end of an era....sad, poignant....
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#23885
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HOLY #@*%&^ !!!!
I renewed my subs last year after a long hiatus. I was just sent a renewal notice with absolutely NO mention of their plans what-so-ever in that friendly reminder !!
Very, very sad news as another "constant" of the industry fades away to the "Hall of Rememberance" ... <<sniff>>
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#23886
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Dragon and Dungeon were both profitable magazines for Paizo and, via license, for WOTC. WOTC killed them not because they weren't making money but because they believe that selling online content could be more profitable.

The real shame here is that Dungeon had gotten really good. We shall see if Pathfinder, Paizo's Adventure Path book, can approach anywhere near that level of quality.

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#23887
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
As some one who recently got back into Dungeon mag to do some of the adventure path series, i have to say even though the magazne has been a staple. Neither of them are things i have picked up regualrly in about 10 years. The shake up in content that seemed to happen all the time got to the point that honestly there wasn't stuff i was interested in getting in Dragon, they just didn't have the stuff i was interested in the mag anymore. It seemed to just be "more new feats" and "more new classes" for the most part, there was very little fluff in my mind, and too much crunch.
I can make up my own crunch at fluff at this point, so i just didn't see a need for Dragon, and pretty much stopped getting it untill they started putting some stuff in for the STAP, which makes some decent fluff, and background. I picked up a few of those, but that's about it.

I have to say at times PDF versions of them would be really nice, espically since i could just either print out the sections i want or cut and paste them into a doc to work with.

Online distribution could be good, i might go to full on computer aided running of the game then.

Path finder may get some $ out of me, i have largely enjoyed the Adventure paths both in concept and actuall deleviery, in the ones i have done.
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#23888
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Yeah, but do I want to stare at a computer screen MORE than I already do?
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#23889
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Hello All,

If only Sony's epaper reader would do better or if more pdfs would be epaper friendly I would like online stuff better. As it stands now I do not like to lug my laptop around. And I agree with Harneloot, I am already in front of the Screen 10-12 hours a day. I like playing pen and paper. That is why I still buy hardbacks and not the e form of them.

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#23890
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This won't be a popular opinion based on the feeback thus far in this thread but, I have not been happy with Dragon magazine for a very long time. I think it really lost something that it once had though I can't put into words what that thing is. The content had become overly generic and IMHO mostly useless.
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#23891
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
I've been reading The Dragon since issue #11, and this was a big surprise for me. I found out by checking the Wizards website, not from Paizo (I subscribe to The Dragon). I've opted for the Pathfinder replacement, and we'll see how it stacks up.

Do note that the decision came from Wizards, not Paizo. Wizards elected not to renew the contract with Paizo, for reasons of their own. I do feel a bit sad about it, since I've been buying and reading the magazine for thirty years. It's been an iconic part of the game, and come September it will be gone, at least in print form. The Dragon may continue in electronic form, perhaps as PDF downloads or as online content. That would be my guess, but only the inner sanctum of Wizards knows for sure.

This may just be an evolutionary chenge in the industry, that books and magazine as a whole may give way to electronic print forms. That's a rather difficult pill to swallow, as a devout bibliophile. But that may be just the way things go.

I've seen the move from LPs and cassette tapes (heck, 8-tracks!) to CDs, and now from CDs to MP3 downloads. Gosh only knows where we go from here.
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#23892
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
Well, I have to believe, even for my own sanity, that it was a HABRO decision and NOT a WoTC decision...
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#23893
Holy!@#! DRAGON magazine is dead! 7 Years, 3 Months ago  
Harneloot;

I suspect you're 100% right. Hasbro is strictly profit-oriented, and since WotC spun Paizo off from them 'a while' ago, Paizo has had the pur rights for Dragon and Dungeon magazines.
Hasbro will go for more in-house-profitability from Web-based stuff (let's face it, no paper means no presses, no printhouse maintenance, etc; it's dirt cheap to do everything on-line) instead of paying for printing; they'll let YOU pay for printing what YOU want. it's the electronic-generation way of life.
And, to some extent, it IS more logical; why pay for what you don't need, why store all that stuff you don't want, why play host to zillions of silverfish bugs? PDFs are so much better from that standpoint.
But you DO need something better that a 3-7 pound notebook computer to read them on. I have both a PDA (Compaq iPaq) and an Archos 604, which will read pdf files nicely. But they were $400 EACH, and that is a significant investment.
We need something better and cheaper than that. When that comes out, pdf's will take off like a 747 looking for a cloud to fly through.

See ya!

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