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#22707
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
Jim, my father-in-law is a (good) bad influence on me--he retired at 55. He wised up
earlier in life and socked away his money so he's pretty set now. Got me on a plan similar
to his so I'm hoping like Hell to be able to do the same by his age. ;-}~

If I can do that, I'll spend my days talking to myself and my little metals guys in their
Dwarven Forge(d) dungeons, caverns, and taverns.
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#22708
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
D&D is an excuse to play with my DF, HA ,and painted miniatures !
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#22709
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I view the metal to plasti crack as follows...

Silicon valley was always a mecca for engineering talent. During the Hitech boom it was a gold rush. Post bubble burst it is back to the basics in teh valley.

In the beginning were those that liked the hobby and gamed while several of those gamers could afford the cost, time and creativity painted minis. I was not one of them. Only in the last 10 years was I able to begin to collect metal figs. I collected probably 140 or so. Most of them were your classics, skeletons, kobolds, goblins, orcs, and other classic monsters. Only recently with the advent of plasticrack have I been able to really fill out my dungeons and collect many, many figures. I still collect the rare metal for a final encounter or whatever. I only have time now to paint about 1 figure a month. At this rate it will be another 4-5 years until my 140 or so metal figs will be all painted. I would imagine many more gamers are into the hobby now because the plasti-crack is so inexpensive. Once teh market gets saturated or if enough of the newbies decide that this is not the hobby for them we will see a decline of the plasti-crack and the return of the great metal minis.

my 0.02 worth
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#22710
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Dante;

I applaud your wife's Dad, and I hope his plan works for you as well.
Paint away to your heart's content.
As I said, considering the relative levels of skill I have in painting versus design and construction, I think I'll stick to building stuff. But I can dream.

See ya!

Jim
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#22711
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
Shadox - how many more sets do you think DDM has in it before the grand decline and inevitable bust/death?

We are currently seeing the 12th set being released this weekend which will bring the WoTC DDM line up to ~750 different miniatures. They surely have sets 13 and 14 already in production.

My prediction: 22 sets, then death.

Which will be just fine, as I already have almost all the minis I could ever use (4000+) and now with reaper chiming in with at least several sets of their own painted minis, well, I'm just about at plasticrack overdose levels...

:)
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#22712
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Harneloot,

I know for sure they have at least 13 and 14th since they have named 13 and announced a release date for 13. They also keep teasing us about the GelCube which could be 13 or 14. 22 would put us out another 3.5 years. This craze is about 3 to 4 years old now. That would make it a 7 year craze. I would be very impressed if it was to last that long. I only wished I started earlier. I started after the 5 or 6 seet was released and pretty much was only able to collect from set 5 on. I get the occaisional deal on ebay and have been able to pull in the must haves and commons from the first 4 sets. I have about 1600 plasti-cracks in my collection and to be honest I am jealous of your collection. I wish I had about another 500 or so of certain figures and at least 1 of each of the first 4 sets. (That still would put me shy of 2400) Oh well. I may get there if some of the newbies leave and start to dump. The real pleasure for me is not collecting but gaming. This makes prep time very short. With DF, MBA, reaper, ral partha (I am old school), DDM, and the occasional custom styrofoam/joint compound building or castle exterior I am set for a long time. With 20+ years of material (although some of the early stuff is questionable) I can run most games at any level with a week's notice and < 4 hours of prep. Let's hope that they keep the machine going with DDM and now with Reaper. All players beware as the GMs now have the ammo to take you out and by golly we are going to use it!!!

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#22713
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
I think the current trend, like all trends, will eventually fade. But I also think it's nearly impossible to predict what will come next. The gaming hobby has been so crazy, every new development has been almost unprecedented. Who'd have thought D&D would ever become popular? That TSR would then go bankrupt? That somehow, the game would persist after the demise of TSR? The rise of card games? Of clicky games? The way GW would evolve, then practically take over? The rise of a company like Reaper out of the ashes of Grenadier, Ral Partha, etc?

I don't see the DDM stuff going away any time real soon, not as long as there are clever ways to market it. They've gotten a LOT farther with it than many companies have managed with a "hot new" approach. If by series 12 they haven't managed to break the game or render previous minis unplayable or in general drive away the gamers, there's every reason to think they're not gonna give up easily.

Oh, and as for the next two sets - they're as definite as anything ever is in this hobby. Several pieces from the next set have already been shown, as well as package art, and there are already specifics about the one following. With the long development time on this, the real question is what is gonna happen with series 16 and 17, those are probably the ones that haven't had seen any work yet.

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#22714
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There's at least a chance that the plastic will actually benefit the metal. My reasoning runs as follows:

1) More prepaints = more people playing with minis = greater demand for minis overall (even if much of that demand is filled with plastic).

2) More people playing with minis = more people wanting (a) really beautiful minis and (b) custom minis that really represent their characters.

3) People who want a and b have to go metal, they can't go plastic.

So...we get more demand for metal and fewer people who know how to paint well, which means more and better metal figs and a chance for good painters to make real $ on the side painting for others.

I think there's at least a chance this will happen and it will be a big win for everyone. I know I'm spending way more on metal minis than I ever did now because being able to buy 20 cheap plastic bullywugs for $20 ready to go means I'm also willing to pay a pro $50 to get the metal and resin boss monsters and character figures up to snuff. I can get a lot of painted minis on the table fast and it's beautiful.

How common all this will be I don't know, but I'm not sure it's really doom and gloom for metal. Time will tell.
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#22715
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It's my hope that prepainted minis (PPMs?) will tend toward generic figures that are frequently useful in large numbers. Skeleton armies, armored soldiers, wolves, and so on.

Highly specific character types (chaotic good druid, lawful evil anti-paladin, greek hoplite champion with lion-skin cloak) should be left for metal minis, as these are the ones that we all seem to want to customize.

I also hope that the designers of PPMs will think to include some prominent feature that can be easily touched up (altered) to allow for minor customization. You can mark the bases to distinguish between the various figures, but it is much cooler to paint each attacking Roman legionnaire's helmet crest a different color to keep track of which has how many hit points left.
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#22716
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I really think they can keep this going for a long time if they want, (DDM that is) with those 740 figures out there, there are some vastly over represented figures and vastly under represented figures. Using that fact with a bit of change up in the skew of a set can push this a long time if they want, they can push out a few more oddballs and get everyone excited again and back in the buying mentality for a set or two, and or drop older but still popular/wanted monsters in (another beholder in this set, never got one of the first ones, and here is a shot at another for me, if i bite).

With people like Shadox who got in late they can always (and have done this) make a new varient of a troll, Displacer beast , or other older set monster in form and or stats (for the Skirmish) and you can keep the line going by giving people who are new to the line a chance at getting something they can use for the game, but might not be the same as the old one, but works for what ever you want. From my thinking as long as they don't target 1 group only this can go for as long as they want to run it (ever see Star Wars action figures, while the line had some problems with E1:TPM they are still churning them out and people are still buying them, not quit the same numbers produced in a line of action figures as in the D&D minis sets but the freakin SW figures have been being produced for 20 years (the longest run of 12 years of striaght production) , if you get a product enough people like you can milk it for a very long time....)

One of the main selling points of DDM is that it does not Target just 1 group. It goes for the PRG player, and the Skirmisher, and even out right collector types. If they can continue to keep all three groups pretty (but not completly) happy they can extend this for as long as they run D&D. As long as enough of the people can get something they like, Wotc can keep making it.
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#22717
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Just a word of update -- especially for people wondering what will become of Reaper's metal lines...

Over at the Reaper forums, a Reaper rep posted a few points:

1. The company did not risk itself with this move -- if, for some reason, Legendary Encounters fails, it will not spell the end of Reaper.

2. They have no intention of abandoning metal minis -- they see the plastics as a "game token" for gamers, not as a mini for painters. They want to do them as well as possible, but they don't see them as filling the same niche as the metals in any way.

3. Until it becomes possible to achieve the exact same degree of quality, or better, in plastic as is possible in metal, they will continue to work in an area they've mastered.


So -- the company isn't at risk, the metal lines aren't going anywhere, the new product isn't going to be targeted at the same people. All good news...

NOW - let's see the pics, guys!

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#22718
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 8 Months ago  
L,

I would say that the comments by Reaper were for Public Relations purposes. While I'm not predicting complete doom for Reaper over this product release, I would like to point out that nearly every game company that has died did so because of a failed product release. GDW when the 1st Gulf War ended after 100 hours and they printed up many Iraw War books and ate them, ICE that had to recall LOTR ready-run adventure books due to copyright issues, FASA over several failed and costly product releases, Wizkids took a dive over MageKnight 2.0, etc.

Anyhow, public relations is going to tell the fans that there isn't a company change of direction to prevent mass defections from their bread-and-butter products.

Because I love Reaper's products, I'm just concerned that this move into pre-painted plastics might be a hasty business decision. If I were on their board, I would have instead recommended selling pre-painted METALS. The ramp-up cost would have been much less than with plastics and they could have used existing molds while leveraging cheap foreign labor to paint them up.

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