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#22659
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
I concur w/Dante about 'scale creep'. And as far as the 'But I like to Paint my OWN!' crowd, hey, that's okay! Buy the pewters and paint 'em. BUT, if you see a figure in prepainted plastic that you want, buy it and REPAINT it at your leisure - and enjoy a ready-to-game mini until then!
Geesh, WHY do some of our fellow gamers have to make things so bloody HARD?

Oh, well.

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#22660
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
Scale creep does bug me, largely because DF is so clearly designed for proper 25mm figures, and most Reaper figs are just SLIGHTLY too big for that.

Still, I'm so used to using Reaper, it doesn't seem that odd anymore. And I have found that using the multi-packs being issued by MegaMinis (King's Court, Thieves' Guild, Monsters, Orcs, etc) gives you a large quantity of stuff that's closer to 25mm and enough of it that you can just use either one OR the other and don't have to mix them.

For anyone wondering about this stuff, if you mostly have the slightly larger figures, do yourself a favor and populate your DF with some smaller figs some time -- it's amazing. The rooms are bigger, the doors and things like the spiral stairs make more sense, everything just feels totally different when you have these smaller figs hanging out in the layout...

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#22661
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
"Scale creep" is an interesting way to view it. I've been collecting minis since the late 70's, and you can definitely see the difference in scale.

It does make it a little tricky when mixing the older, smaller figures with the new larger figs. A hulking brute of a man that barely comes to the shoulder of a Rackham female makes for a humorous image.

I've found lately that since I now base my figures, I can add height to the old ones through the base, and that can help to deal with that problem. And to be honest, most players won't be getting out their rulers to determine if the furniture will be a 100% match to their mini.

As for Reaper doing pre-painted plastic, I'm all for it as long as they never stop putting out metal for us painters. Honestly, I'm still a bit miffed that WotC stopped doing metal. Some of their figures would be terrific to paint, and I understand repainting plastic is an iffy proposition.
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#22662
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
Kradlo--I'm with you--don't stop making the metal. There's nothing like a nicely sculpted, solid chunk of toxic metal to paint and base. Makes me feel like it's a real hobby as opposed to collecting a bunch of cheap, plastic stuff. Even though I have a LOT of the cheap plastic pre-painted minis! ha ha...

Regarding Reaper minis, I think they really rule the roost nowadays. There a few onesie-twosies here and there from other manufacturers that I've eyed and purchased, but no other maker has filled my collection more than Reaper. Except Dwarven Forge. ;-}~
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#22663
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
This is great news. I just have tons and tons of D&D pre-painted figures and Mage Knights that I will never even use (or look at again) - I'm talking boxes worth. Sure - lots of nice figs as well - but I get tired of going through yet another box of repeats to possibly get an interesting rare I don't already have. And its tough to find the time to paint all the metal ones I want (but I still intend to do those too) - so I think its great that Reaper is putting out pre-painted minis. I probably wont get any of the basic sets (who needs 20 more Orcs when you already have 300 eh?) - but I'm ready for some special monsters and such....so yeah bring 'em on!
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#22664
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This could actually work to our advantage in terms of how WotC's minis are sold as well.

If Reaper's figs are of a comparable quality, and if they start to outsell WotC, then WotC will have to reconsider their packaging and sales strategy. If the gaming community stands up and says "we want to buy what we want, not what you want us to buy" then WotC won't have any choice but to alter their very one-sided business practices.
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#22665
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I think the standard to beat is rather AT-43 from Rackham and Battlefield Evolution from Mongoose, as they are pre-painted, non-random and brand new. I have bought the AT-43 figures and I'm quite happy with them, and I have seen one of the BF Evo figures. Wizkids may have started the trend, but they are definitely not the leader right now. But AT-43 has a retro-futuristic setting (UNA White Stars are visually based on German paratroopers from WWII and the Red Blok on the Soviet Union), and BF Evo is modern armour. A fantasy range of the same level (or even higher) would be most welcome!
Willypold,
When you bought the AT-43 figures, did you have to buy the whole game, or did you buy only the minis? I am also interested in getting those.

L,
This is truely fantastic news. Thank you so much for posting this. I also have big expectations about Reaper prepaint minis. I am so excited about this! Mostly because Reaper has such fantastic sculpts, regardless of how good the paint jobs will be. Thanx again!
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#22666
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
I have a few concerns about how well these will sell.

1. If the sculpts are TOO similar to what Reaper's already doing, some people may balk at the price. ("For $5 less, I can get the same basic figure and paint it myself!")

2. If Reaper can't put these out in waves that sell evenly, retailers may find themselves with 100 extra bugbear warriors after selling out all their drow archmages. Since Reaper seems to have a "buy back" offer for unsold items, that means Reaper would eat the cost of the unsold figures -- making the line unprofitable. While customers LIKE the idea of being able to pick and choose, leaving unwanted figures behind, part of the success of the WOTC line is that nobody has to predict the fickle preferences of the buying public. If we all decide to leave the same figures behind, for several waves in a row, that could spell doom. With WOTC, you get 'em all, because you have no choice. If Reaper can't improve on that model, the line could fail.

3. The cost could simply be too high. There are some pre-painted minis on the market right now, and they tend to do poorly, even when well-executed. Look at what happened with DF! I can honestly say, I don't think I've seen better prepainted fantasy minis than what DF did. Sure, I can get more detail on my skeletons when I paint them myself, but the DF skeletons are easily the best pre-painted ones I've ever seen. Yet at $5 a pop, selling in $15 3-packs, they just didn't sell. If Reaper has a comparable sales model, the price may just scare everyone away. People who like pre-painted figs will think "For the same expenditure, I can get 7 WOTC minis, instead of only 2-3 Reaper ones." People who like to paint will think "For the same expenditure, I can get 4 unpainted Reaper figures, and do at least as good a job with them myself."

Personally, my biggest fear is #2 -- that's why WOTC sells the way they do, and why the DDM line is such a hit. They sell through evenly. It's been remarked upon quite often -- to make a successful minis line, you can either give people low cost, or you can give them a large variety of figures, or you can give them non-blind packaging. You cannot give them all three. At most, you can give them two. DDM has offered tons of different figures, including many obscure monsters, and for a low price (technically -- remember, it once cost $12 and now will cost closer to $15 for 7 figures, regardless of whether you're happy with your selection). They HAVE to go with blind packaging in order to give us the other two. If Reaper takes that away, price definitely goes up, and selection may drop. We'll just have to see.

Not to sound the bell of doom here, but I just don't want us to go overboard celebrating the sure success of a line which strikes me as a very big risk, though one I'm really happy Reaper is taking. This market is a tough one, and many companies have failed here. Whatever we may hold against DDM, it's been a massive runaway success for WOTC, so tinkering with it approach is not clearly a profitable idea, however much we may salivate over it....

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#22667
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 1 Month ago  
Your concerns are very interesting. It might be better if they sold "themed" sets. Like 5 or 8 figures or so in a pack, with a theme. For example, a commoner pack, or an Undead pack, or a monster pack I, or something. That way the buyer would get about 4 minis that they really want, and a couple of minis that they don't need AS much. This way, Reaper wouldn't loose any profit from less desireable figs. Just a thought.
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#22668
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Wow.

Kradlo, I also hope that they don't discontinue the metals....
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#22669
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Something to think about...

Most of the concerns voiced about pre-painted figures comes from people who would normally do their own painting - the hobby people, who also happen to be gamers. I've said this on other forums as well - what if the main target audience for pre-painted minis aren't the painters? What if the high quality pre-painted figures are targeted at new people, who are interested in playing games, but wouldn't dream of investing time and money into first painting their armies? Actually expanding the customer base? I think this is what happened when both Wizkids and Wizards got into pre-painted figures, and what Rackham, Mongoose and Reaper are going to expand even further. Forget about the figure painters - they're going to break out their paint jars anyway! :-)
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#22670
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I'm definitely crossing my fingers. I suppose the main hope is that the market of people who refuse to buy WOTC's blind boxes is as large as, or at least ALMOST as large, as the people who DO buy the blind boxes. And since, like I said, the WOTC audience tends to end up buying, on average, an equal amount of each figure, so the set sells through -- will the Reaper audience do the same, or leave Reaper with a constant stream of unsellable product?

The hope is just what you said -- that there's a whole new market of folks out there, whose needs have not been met. They don't want blind boxes, they don't want collectibility, and they don't want to paint. *crosses fingers*

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