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#22647
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Got this right from the Reaper website (reapermini.com):

"Reaper Prepainted Plastic Miniatures

Reaper Miniatures is proud to announce the release of its first series of prepainted plastic miniatures.

This new product line will be released under the brand name Legendary Encounters™.

Offered in an open, non-blind, non-random format, Legendary Encounters™ prepainted plastic miniatures will be packaged using Reaper's standard blister card. Both single and multiple piece packs will be offered.

Unlike the several existing blind-sale prepainted plastic miniature lines currently available, Legendary Encounters™ will not be produced on a limited edition basis and will be available at any time.

Drawing on Reaper's vast experience in miniatures and a catalog of 1000's of metal models to design Legendary Encounters, Legendary Encounters will quickly become the most popular prepainted plastic miniatures line on the market.

Reaper has always focused on the creation of evergreen product lines and Legendary Encounters™ is the first product line of Reaper's new "Ready to Fight™"(RTF) series of games and gaming products.

Available this June Legendary Encounters™ initial release will include: Undead and Orc warriors of various types, an Ogre, Troll and Minotaur. Like our Dark Heaven Legends miniature line, future releases into Legendary Encounters™ will include every type of creature imaginable."



Holy!! $#@!!

No pictures yet, and I imagine the price will reflect the non-random nature of the product -- i.e. expect these to be MUCH pricier than the WOTC offerings. I'd expect to see $5 figures, at least, if not closer to $10.

But I'm very excited to see what they do. I can only expect to think very highly of the sculpts, but given the nature of most pre-painted minis on the market, what can we expect from the paint jobs? The WOTC and Wizkids paintjobs have been adequate (on the rares) to pretty poor (on the commons), but will Reaper take things to a higher level?

I'm very, very curious to see how this unfolds....

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#22648
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
I think the standard to beat is rather AT-43 from Rackham and Battlefield Evolution from Mongoose, as they are pre-painted, non-random and brand new. I have bought the AT-43 figures and I'm quite happy with them, and I have seen one of the BF Evo figures. Wizkids may have started the trend, but they are definitely not the leader right now. But AT-43 has a retro-futuristic setting (UNA White Stars are visually based on German paratroopers from WWII and the Red Blok on the Soviet Union), and BF Evo is modern armour. A fantasy range of the same level (or even higher) would be most welcome!
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#22649
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THIS IS THE BEST NEWS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no more stupid booster packs - i can buy exactly what i want!!!!
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#22650
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L

Thanks for spotting this and sharing with us.

I have to agree with Harnloot - no longer the random booster packs. I remember when I was in Germany at the Games Fair 'Spielertage' in Essen. I had decided ahead of time my son would be allowed to buy one booster pack including a large monster.
While at the store he takes a huge liking to the Purple Worm. It's not a rare - but alarm bells ring immidiately. It's quite certain he will be disappointed ...

Well - we got lucky - he opened it and there was a Purple Worm in the booster pack. My son was absolutely happy. But how would I have explained his chances if there would have been a different figure in. What was the actual chance of this to happen ...

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#22651
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
I know how he feels! I fear the price we will pay will be...well, price. These will undoubtedly be more expensive as Reaper can't count on the same volume of sales, and lack of "collectibility" further cuts into that.

I also worry that the "cooler" figures will be harder to find. It would be equally difficult to find a Purple Worm if everyone decides that's the one to get, and the stores sell out because it is so easy to spot and grab.

(And I have to say, that particular beast was an Uncommon, not a Rare, so while it would have been harder to find, it wouldn't have been TOO insanely difficult.... but at $20 a booster, exactly how many tries is a dedicated father willing to make, you know?)

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#22652
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Oh man ... while fantastic, amazing, over-the-top exciting news, it just makes me want to kick myself (even harder) for being such a "plasti-crack" addict before this announcement... all that money spent on random boosters that could have gone elsewhere (like more DF) or food or retirement ;-) "Damn" and "Amen" all at once ;) Seriously, though, very exciting news !!! I can't wait to see how this develops !!! I might even not bother to get the upcoming DDM Unhallowed set ... yeah, who am I kidding !!!
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#22653
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
So what if the price per figure is higher? We are already paying a very high price for the figures we really want, as each one of us (thost that have fallen into the trap knows) has a ton of useless figures after opening oh so many boosters. What is the true price per figure, divided between total purchase and figures you actually play with? All of a sudden 25-30 Euro for a squad of six little soldiers or a tank really isn't that expensive... Relatively speaking, of course... :-)
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#22654
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Well, the WOTC offerings were "good enough" for me until relatively recently. Each set of 60 figures tended to include about 10 that were really cool, I'd-want-under-any-condition figures, and then maybe 10 or 15 that were adequate-for-the-price, and usually only 1-5 stinkers. The bulk were good for swarms of generic monsters and easy custom fodder.

But two things happened, starting around Blood War:

1. The raised prices began to get to me. Used to be, you could get a complete set of all 60 figures, with duplicates where you wanted, for about $200-250. Then you could sell the unwanted figs to get about $100 of that back, between selling rare figures for the cost of a booster, and batches of commons or uncommons for a little less. In the end, $100 or so for 60 neat figures, plus a bunch of extras for armies or conversions.... not too bad.

Once prices went up, though, it was closer to $200 just for a CASE. That's 12 rares out of maybe 20 in a set. That means you aren't even going to come close to guaranteeing yourself anything for less than $350. That's INSANE. Plus, the secondary market seems to be drying out. I'm having a harder and harder time unloading my extras. That makes the stuff so expensive it really isn't worth it.

Especially considering....

2. There have been so many sets now that most of the figures in a given set are simply too familiar to me. The rares and unique TSR monsters are always fun -- and lately the use of clear/tinted plastic has made for some great beasts like elementals etc. -- but the basic, common "fighter" types tend to look the same. How many "lunging fencer" poses do I have by now? How many "up-raised arm leader" types do I have? It just gets to the point where it isn't only the commons -- it's rare figures, too, that seem awfully familiar and less neat and new.

I still intend to get Unhallowed, but I'm pickier than I used to be. And with each passing set, I'm less thrilled. If Reaper does a good job with its new stuff, things may change.

(on the plus side, the next DDM set includes Raistlin from Dragonlance! Woohoo! And the set after that -- gelatinous cube! so I can't promise to bow out entirely before the end of 2007 at least...)

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#22655
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
I was engaged in this very topic over at theminiaturespage.com yesterday evening. There were a lot of naysayers "Nope. You won't see ME buying them. I like to PAINT my own minis." Well, duh, so do I but I can surely appreciate a decently painted "pre-painted" mini. Hell, they make my life as a GM/DM much easier when I can pick up a horde of goblins or otherwise that are already painted.

The fact that it's Reaper is really appealing to me as I love the work that they produce. I think that for them to venture into this territory, they have to have some pretty good techniques with respect to the painting. Each new booster that D&D comes out with seems to get a little better (unless it's just me imagining that), so they'll have to really stand out in the crowd.

The other excellent thing about this news is as others have mentioned here and at TMP, you won't have to chase down minis by way of random boxes! I'm pretty happy about that. No more trying to find the best bargain on eBay for what you're looking for.

Now all we need to see is how well the finished product looks like on the shelves!
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#22656
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Yea for Reaper! I have a DDM problem as well, but tend to use e-bay merchants to get the minis I want. Since I collect for RPG, I don't need the poorly done or useless minis. A typical DDM rare on e-bay will cost at least as much as a discounted box of DDM. DDM is also undergoing a size creep up to 30 mm, which quite honestly ticks me off. So for well done critters, I will support Reaper's new line.
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#22657
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
L

I was aware that it was an uncommon - and therefore more likely to be in the box. But you might look at me as a 'bad father' as I was only willing a single shot on target. I'm not collecting them - therefore my son had to settle whatever was in the box.

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About collecting the figures vs. using them as a GM. I think the huge advantage will be as a GM that you can order what you need for a certain adventure / campaign. I loved the stirge - but to be honest - to use it with my current group I would need to have some 5 or 6 of them to make it interesting or challenging. Getting a single one wouldn't make much sense - buying until I would have such a number just means loads of unwanted.

L is right if he says about unloading the unwanted ones. But this also means some extra work. And interesting to hear the market is crashing - maybe an option for a non-collector to buy on the cheap some useful figures. Once bought 5 ettercaps that way - used them for a game - gave them to my daughter. They are still her favourite monsters - for all the other ones my son claims ownership.

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#22658
Whoa! HUGE news from Reaper! 7 Years, 4 Months ago  
Yea DDM is also undergoing a size creep up to 30 mm, which quite honestly ticks me off.
It seems like scale creep is an ongoing problem with all manufacturers though. If you read the "Scale" message boards over at theminiaturespage.com you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

I just hate having things get bigger and bigger every quarter--why don't we just switch to frickin' 12" GI Joe dolls for crying out loud? rofl

Seriously though. Think of all of the terrain pieces that are out there suited for "25"mm, which now apparently runs from "true" 25mm (think old Ral Partha stuff) to 28/30mm stuff like Reaper minis. Sooner or later it's all going to be unsuitable for the new GIANT minis. I can deal with the range from 25 up to 30mm, but when you start talking 32, 33, 34, 35, give me a break. I know it's miniscule in comarison but why does every new manufacturer feel they must put out another size that is like 1mm bigger than their competitor? I'm waiting for 36mm to come out just to spite the ranges of 35mm figures!

For those who don't really keep up with this topic very closely, here's a real-world list of current miniature sizes being produced: "true" 25s, 28, 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 42, 45. These are modern "standard" RPG/Historical sizes. I'm not including 6mm, 15mm, or 20mm here--that's entirely another class as most of those are limited to historical minis). I'm also not including 54mm figures as I consider these more "collector's" pieces than tabletop playable pieces (your opinion may vary, just as color, package, and mileage may vary).

If Reaper keeps to their same scale range with the new plastic line, I won't have a stroke. ;-}P~
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