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#19184
I got Fed Up... 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Well, it sounds interesting the way you put it - I'd certainly like to play in some games with that kind of set-up to see how it went. I guess I'm still not sure how looking things up on a computer is faster than looking at a table hanging on back of a screen.

I think I am resistant to the idea of technology "invading" my gaming b/c I am afraid of the game itself (D&D) becomming ever more computer like. I see this as a big down-side to the 3.5 rules. It feels much more like a computer game now than did the 1st edition rules I have played for 20+ years. There seems to be so much focus on min/maxing, picking feats, power gaming in general and much less foucs on developing character's personality and helping the story to progress and evolve.

I'm not saying that a DM using computers as "tools of the trade" would cause any of this. I'm just voicing my larger, perhpas irrational concerns on the trend I see in D&D with the advent of the 3.5 rules.

Anyone else get this impression from them? Anyone want to call me a feebleminded luddite?

Have a great weekend all!
-JGF
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#19185
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Ha! I just learned what "luddite" meant last week!! I love that word.

I have a desktop system and haven't yet found the need for a laptop. I use my desk top while DMing - it's off to my right and my "DM table" is in front of me (a roller desk) while I keep minis, DF stuff and snacks on my left. My screen is a sacred cow first and handy reference chart second - my PC being primary reference chart.

2 of my players use laptops while the rest are luddites and stick with paper and pencil.
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#19186
I got Fed Up... 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Harneloot -

I use 3rd edition because I'm too cheap to go buy 3.5 just to give Hasbro more money when my 3E books are still practically brand-new.
I use a PC with Excel spreadsheets because a friend made it so-damn-easy to track EVERYTHING a player does with his character.
I use DF because with that, I usually don't NEED a flinking map; I can look over the screen and see where everything is, except those items that are still hidden - and I have notes for their placement.
I use a DM screen, because when I roll a natural 20 and don't WANT to kill that 10th level Paladin that will save the party ten minutes from now, I can lie - DM's are allowed to do that! - and say I blew the shot. And NO-one knows otherwise. Conversely, if that same paladin has been a total jerk for three weeks, and is about to drive out every other gamer in the group, AND forgot his shower AGAIN, I can cripple him and leave him by the side of the cavern path while the rest of the party goes ahead - and if he doesn't wash up and straighten up by NEXT time, he dies there, alone, in the dark.

The smart DM is the one who rules his universe and still keeps his players happy; what tools he uses to do so is HIS (or HER!) choice.
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks; THAT'S why they make Fords and Chevys.

If you like the olde-fashioned methods, then don't let me, or RF*, or Dungeoneer, or anyone else make you change. We probably won't even try, anyway, but even if we do, ignore us - with dignity, but ignore us!

Game on guy; See ya!

Jim
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#19187
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I hear that Jkratzer!

Amen!
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#19188
I got Fed Up... 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Ah Jim, do not leave yourself open to potshots like the ones I am holding back. :D
You left yourself so open so often in that last posting, it hurts not to get you. :rolleyes:

Hey Jim, even with the laptop, you should still have a dice shoe.
You roll the die(ce) in there, and no one sees what you do except you.
That way plausible deniability is maintained.
A guy here made one out of mahogany so it could stand up to long use; looks like a shoe box with a funny shaped lid.
The screen gives you that when you roll using the virtual roller too.

One of our guys is so concerned about plausible deniability when he referees, he has one of those screen covers on his laptop that you cannot read what is on the screen unless you are directly in front of the laptop and no one is allowed there other than him, of course.
Then again, you can call him odd if you like since he is odd; he works at the regional FBI office. :P
He is an ok egg for a civilian though; his main saving grace, beyond being a good egg, is that he is federal.
Anyway, there are many cool ways to maintain the aura of referee without needing to lose access to the fantastic high tech gaming aides out there.

As far as maps, I WISH we had enough Master Maze AND that Dwarven Forge produced all of the kinds of Master Maze we could use here.
Oh well, life is hard, have a few laughs along the way, some great joys and then you die. :cool:
More positively, that is where NBOS, Profantasy, a good laptop and a decent computer projector come in.
Plus, the vid entertaining factor comes in too.
Non-gamers are only going to be enterained by quality painted figures, cool Master Maze and other non-tangibles for only so long which almost is never long enough for a good gaming session.
On the other hand, the laptop and the projector can be set-up to do funky screen-savers when not actively being used by any of the gamers can keep the non-gamer folks entertained with a little imagination.
Be sure not to hook in a DVD player as the screen saver; one gal here tried that and we nearly had the non-gamers riot because the flick was cut off so many times due to gaming needs. :mad:
Bad ju-ju that night; that game was on a 12'x8' board and both sides suffered so many casualties (some multi-unit formations as bad as 82.8%), so fast that there was no time for any commander to reasonably withdraw and so we used what fiction allows us and it was declared a washout and had to be re-done another time.
If it had been a real battle, I most certainly would not have been in the position of either final accountability or burial detail. :(

The idea that someone change someone else that comes here Jim is a wacky one.
Most every body here is a boiled egg and the vets are worse, being hard-boiled ones.
People here may be open to different ideas as far as the tool that the forum is for, but beyond that narrow scope, uh-uh.
We all have our games, methods, genres, etc. that we play in and THAT is about THAT! :)
There are some here that will not play "that" and others will not ever play "this" way, and so forth.
Some of us can only play the latest game while others do not play any game produced in the last five years.
As a nod to you Jim as to 3 v 3.5, as long as you can have folks lay with you the version you want, I do not see any problems at all; some companies, who will ONE and all, will be kept nameless.
Look at me with my main game BattleTroops.
Has not been produced since '92, and in 1999, Bryan Nystul said he would find some way to atomize me if I ever brought it up with him again. :D
I did not, but a friend did at GenCon '99. ;)
This friend only happened to work with the GAO at the time; betcha never thought a gamer could work at the GAO, eh Jim?
Guy has more finance degrees than you can shake several sticks at including his CPA.
He too was/is (have not seen for a few years) a BattleTroops fan.
He gave Bryan and three others he IDed as honchos a 73pg report how FASA was going to go under if they did not produce a BattleTroops 2nd Ed. to take on GW's W40K along with Vor.
Unfortunately, I lost my copy of it in a recycling "accident" that occurred during a move that I was not present Stateside for (I just love those mid-motion reassignments). :(
Bryan and guys did not even really consider doing a BattleTroops 2nd.
My friend was off only by 9 months of when FASA would close their doors and was off by only .7% of what portion market share Vor would take from GW by time they did; his were pretty decent projections.
He was an okay general too; he won about 59% of the time, but when he lost, it was BIG TIME!
BTW Jim, he hated/s the Patton theme. :lol:

Never had a problem with anyone's PC Jim; must just be those weird civies out there that are a problem when it comes to personal lav time.
Then again, one can sometimes wonder is the swabbies check out where the heads are before they do anything else in a new place.

Jim, back in the day, did you ever meet either a 96C or a 97B?
I do not know if that would even be intelligable in your part of the "tree" because y'all's coding was/is odd, but was wondering.
Plus, I do not know if the sit is just in my ol' branch, but all the PMOS and DMOS codes are changing again.
Only thing constant is change. :/
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#19189
I got Fed Up... 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Then again, one can sometimes wonder is the swabbies check out where the heads are before they do anything else in a new place.
The only place one can be alone and stay within non-restricted areas. Also, egress for our "last stand".
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#19190
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RF* -

96C, 97B; I probably did, but since I never knew Big Green MOS's, how can I say? For that matter, I don't know all the Air Farce AFSC's either, even though I had two and knew some others - then - from association.
605x0 - Air Pax specs; 605x1 - Air Cargo Specs; 791x1 - Radio/TV Broadcast Production specs (I had the last two). Those are the only ones I remember; 35 years is a LONG time!

And any deck ape or bubblehead who DOESN'T find the head before anything else is just begging for trouble. Airdales usually don't have to find it, they get led to it so they don't ralph on the deck. Deck force guys HATE to clean up Airdale ralph (I've been told)!

See ya!

Jim

PS: To All Navy vets: My hat is off to you, as we all fought the good fight; but after all, as a former zoomie myself, if I didn't rag on you, the AF Association rep here in Baltimore would come looking for me. And he's former Spec Ops, and kinda big. As in, he almost scares SEALS!
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