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#16658
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
I just want to add -- Stefan, I agree with RF about 2007 being the Year of Sci-Fi for DF.

1) SF fans have not gotten anywhere near what fantasy folks have had, esp. in Summer 2006.

2) Fantasy fans need a break for their wallets! Plus, let more people save up and buy the current- and future releases. Let the Water sets and the Mystery Set stand out there for some time, building up a base.


I think a few SF releases are definitely in order. Then, for me personally, I think I'd like to see a Mystery Set Expansion set before anything else (DoE additions, Cavernous water additions, etc)

In general, though, I'm gonna be pretty sated once the rest of 2006 releases are in my hands...

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#16659
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
It seems that we all have ended in the same thread anti-DF. The worst in my opinion with the guy who says "we don't give a... XXXX" is the way in what he takes part, posting, taking action, just to say that he doesn't want to answer what has been kindly asked. Incredible.

Oh, by the way, I would like to see those people making CR&W or Lakes pieces, cavern pieces, floor sets, traps sets, or Den of Evil with half the quality of DF, oh, yeah, with enough time they could repaint the Gioconda as well. I say: "HA-HA".
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#16660
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
Being that I was a part of the Paizo thread in question (if this is the thread you are speaking of even?) I tried to answer the question with my limited knowledge. I failed and got bashed on a few sides.

Basically, as we all know here, the ad in question was released a bit early for subscribers of Dungeon magazine. I did not understand this and also, being that I do not subscribe and buy my Dungeon at my FLGS, I haven't access to the add in question. I made a few assumptions based off of my weak information and posted an answer to the effect of:

"Not sure, will check DF website and see waht they say."

...which I did and saw no news of the mystery set being revealed yet. I did find the newsletter that stated "GenCon" and Aug 10" being the reveal times. I posted so.

Some negative responses followed in general (not to me but to DF) and I responded to the HA/anti-DF posters that I, having some HA molds and DF stuff, find that DF suits me just fine in my situation.

The original poster inquiring about the add kinda' laid into me a tad - which I can understand due to the attacks from anti-DF posters and my, to said poster's, ignorant answers.

The whole thread is a mess and is best just avoided. Obviously, Paizo boards are not a friendly place for discussion of DF.
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#16661
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
If I may add:

Almost all boards I have gone to, even my private one for local gamers here in the Portland area, is very anti-DF. I do not understand the level of negativity - it's OK to not like a certain product - but there does seem to be a raised amount of agressiveness in context to anyone who is anti-DF.

Even one of my players went off a few sessions ago because he bought one of the more popular 2D mapping products and I had to settle him down. One of my other players, luckily another DM who has also just purchased the same software (as has I), jumped on my side of the discussion - basically we explained the true cost of said software in printing, design, userfriendliness, et al.

Bottom line, from a gamer with 28 years experience, DF is the way to go if you want cool terrain.

My biggest "feat of mightiness" from DF is when a rather big player of mine (325 lbs or so) knocked over a single wall piece while helping me clean up and stepped on said piece. The piece was fine but he hurt his foot. Can an HA piece stand that?
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#16662
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
Glad you tried to help a fellow gamer, regardless of their tastes in terrain. It's a shame one or both sides of the fence bashed in, including the poster of the original inquiry.
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62 sets and counting. In addition, a boatload of individual pieces or sets of pieces.
 
#16663
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
I really don't get the Anti DF viritol from HA users. I mean DF was the Only reason i ever bought any HA in the first place, if it weren't for DF i never would have bought it. I and others in our game group use it to make some items that just don't exist in DF at the present time (or we can't get a hold of due to stock issues), and i think there are others as well over at the HA forums who use it for DF stlyed stuff, but hide becuase of the negativity.

The HA allowed me to make that lava stuff pretty easily, I thought about posting some pictures over at the HA page but decided not becuse i just get the idea it would be recieved poorly. I honestly get the feeling i would be told by some one on the HA boards "i am using HA wrong" and i just think that is a stupid thing to say, don't know if that is the case (would be told i am doing something "wrong") but having looked over stuff on the HA boards i just get the feeling it that would happen that way. I mean people there complain about how others have painted stuff, becuase it isn't "done right"...

L and others have pointed out that in many cases the cost works out the same, or more, for the do it your self. People rarely look at the incedentals, not and look at long run as it will be cheaper, I honestly don't know if i have "broken even" yet in the few hundred dollars i have spent on HA. The same money spent on DF would have been instantly ready instead of talking 3 days to do etc. I mean as of now i am doing a few more lava bits, and i only have 6 more pieces that will be ready for the next part Tommorrow, and they still won't be done, and those took a few hours to do to get to this point...


I guess i just don't get people having to chime in to knock something else...

*sigh*
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#16664
Boy, some people are hostile 8 Years ago  
Carnivore- - I don't want to speak for anyone, but I'm 99.999% sure that philip wouldn't have been irritable with you if he hadn't been treated so terribly elsewhere in that thread. His patience was understandably thin by that point.

I mean, it really was obnoxious -- a simple request for info from people who have it, and 99% of them ignore him and then the few who bother to post say only "I don't care for this stuff"

That thread is definitely to be avoided -- useful only to those of us who really, really, really wanted the info available.

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#16665
Boy, some people are hostile 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
The costs mentioned by others in this thread -- you need to buy tools and prepare a workspace, you supply your own materials and paints, you spend time making the pieces, and you will probably have a few pieces that are unusable due to learning or miscasting -- make me glad I didn't buy HA molds when I first saw them a couple-few years ago. (Also, I am singular untalented in all areas involved in making a good HA construct.) They aren't for me. Still, I'm glad that they are available for those who do want them, and I hope that the company is doing well.

I think a lot of people confuse love of one thing for hatred of all others. I see this in lots of circumstances -- soft drinks, pizza chains, television shows, religion, politics, and on and on. Too many live by the credo "If it's not X, it's crap!" That's simply not true.

Certainly we use the thing we like the best as a basis of comparison, but that shouldn't blind us to the good qualities of other things, nor should it remove simple personal preference from our understanding of why other people like other things.

I like Master Maze products. When Mage Knight came out with their modular dungeon floors and walls, I still preferred DF's MM, but I recognized a few reasons that some people might prefer MK. Even though those reasons weren't enough to sway my preference, I could see where someone else might choose differently. I don't hate MK modular stuff, I don't resent the people who don't agree with me, and I don't feel the need to argue my points until all acknowledge the wisdom of my words.

Someone mentioned age as a factor in the level of rudeness, and I agree. Teens and young adults tend to be very passionate about their opinions, possibly because their opinions really are their own (and not things learned from others) for the first time. But over time, we learn that opinions are personal views and not universal truths -- that expressing an opposing opinion is not an attack on the person, but a discussion of ideas. We learn that two people can disagree about some things and still get along. I'm not certain that age necessarily brings wisdom, but it does bring perspective.
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#16666
Boy, some people are hostile 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
I tried to make peace by writing a DF/HA comparison review over at Terrainosaur, but it seems to have changed nothing -- frequently, when that review is pointed out on message boards, I just see more rude HA fans talking about how much they prefer HA.

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That's you who wrote that review? It was the one that lead me to both HA and DF (At least I think it was, I have been lurking around both for a while before I bought any of either)

Anyway now I have both. I am buying DF pieces I could never make, or never make as well with HA (especially cavernous rivers & lakes but also traps, Den of Evil) and building some of more basic ones with HA blocks (though I can see why some would want to save the hassle and just buy them pre made) and maybe making some bits I can't buy from DF. I am also also even building some World Works Games cardstock dungeons.

To me it would be boring if in my imaginary world all dungeons were the same. I do like building stuff, but like many people sometimes my projects stall a while and take a long time to finish. Buying and building lets me have a basic amount to start with and then add more to it. Also to me it would be boring if in my imaginary world all dungeons were the same, different sources means a greater variety of dungeons.
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#16667
Boy, some people are hostile 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
For the record....... I think Hirst Arts stuff is pretty kool:)
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#16668
Boy, some people are hostile 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
Stefan: Hirst Arts is the "B" side of YOUR record!
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#16669
Boy, some people are hostile 7 Years, 12 Months ago  
yes YC, you are not the only person out there near death waiting for a Master Maze sewer system
Near death?

I'm afraid that reports of my near death have been greatly near-exaggerated.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Care to clarify?
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