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#16014
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
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#16015
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Sorry you won't be coming to the Con this year.

I'm still a bit confused. Over $5k for a refridgerator? How about buying a new one for $1k? - minus the freon?

Perhaps I just misunderstood and you are talking about replacing pipes in the entire house. Even then, I paid a professional company to do that for $2.5k.

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#16016
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
JKW -

Sorry, I was a bit brain-stewed yesterday.
The Heat Pump will cost $5.5L; the refrigerator is a currently-unknown cost, but since through-the-door ice and water are an unnecessary goody, it will wait for a while.
But yes, a new refrigerator with the same accessories WOULD run @$1K delivered.

The Heat Pump replacement is a new, 2-speed compressor, NON-Freon unit, plus NEW lines from the indoor air handler and coil to the outdoor unit, plus labor, plus non-Freon refrigerant, etc., etc.

But I can understand some of the costs, especially since the US Gov says no more Freon (it messes up the ozone layer, or some such BS; funny how we need ozone some places, but mustn't have it other places, and the Greens can never agree on which one, and can never fully explain which is which and why). And the big problem is that, when Freon-charged cooling systems leak down and get contaminated with humid atmosphere, the moisture can combine with the Freon and produce acid - which REALLY does a number on the copper plumbing used for the cooling coils!
I wonder what would happen if they coated the inside of the coils with Teflon? A thin layer on the inside walls of the copper would pretty much solve all but one problem there; what happens with the acidthat forms in there, does it just swirl around the system while the Freon (or whatever the new refrigerant is) flows through the coils, or does it puddle and eat through the Teflon?

And why am I carrying on a post like this in a Gaming Talk thread, anyway? You guys don't need, (and most are probably not interested, beyond a casual concern that all is okay at Mad Yank HQ) a long diatribe about the trials and tribs of home-ownership.

Sorry about the whining, and thanks for the concern from all who are. It's warming to find people who DO give a damn, large or small, about other people's problems.

See ya! (Just not in Indy this year)

Jim
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#16017
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Best of luck to you in the trenches of the endless battle that is home ownership. Knock on wood, we're hoping it's a long time before we see things like that here.

I'll think of you at GenCon, and raise a frosty can of Mountain Dew in salute to the Mad Yank, Guardian of the Home Front.
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#16018
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Thanks, Krad; make it a 24 oz. bottle, please. Sometimes I think Dew is my life-blood, anyway.

See ya!

Jim
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#16019
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
For those of you planning to "hoist a tankard" may I suggest the True Dungeon Fantasy Tavern? It's open from noon to midnight Thursday thru Saturday, and has a full bar (run by the Marriott, which is where we're located). There is a $3 cover charge (unless you have TD tickets for that day, in which case it's free), but there are many activities planned. See my Blog on the Gen Con website for more info.

And since Jeff designed/built the walls, it's kind of like being IN a Dwarven Forge set. ;)
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#16020
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Jim

Who told you the crap about Freon turning into acid. I've a PhD in Chemistry and couldn't figure out how this would work. Here a bit from the Wikipedia about Freon:

It turns out that one of CFCs' most attractive features—their unreactivity—has been instrumental in making them one of the most significant pollutants. CFCs' lack of reactivity gives them a lifespan which can exceed 100 years in some cases.

To get them to react you will need some pretty strong base like sodium hydroxyde.

A water/freon mixture is probably useless as it detroys the physical properties needed to act as a cooling liquid which on expansion cools down. But the bit about the stuff being reactive - unbelievable.

Oh - and if you look up safety sheets there is a real danger.

Asphyxiant in high concentration.

So the salesperson should have rather advised you to open the window in case there really is a leak in your freon system. Guess if we don't see any posts from you here in the near future we assume you didn't survive due to bad advice from a sales/customer rep.

Thod

BTW: high concentration really means HIGH. Don't fill it in your bath tub and have a bath while the window is closed. Otherwise the stuff is quite non-toxic - but it is a gas at your current temperature (most boil around 20 degrees centigrate - sorry don't do Fahrenheit) and once it has replaced the normal air in your room you might be have a problem due to lack of oxygen.
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#16021
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Thod -

THANK YOU for the info; I mean that.
This is the second time I've had a utility company salesman feed me that BS, and they got me for multiple thouands of dollars both times now!
I don't mind spending major money on a vastly-improved system; I HIGHLY OBJECT to being LIED TO so the guy can make the sale!
I knew Freon and similar refrigerants have a low boil temp; that's why they're good for both cooling and heating. I DIDN'T know Freon has one that HIGH; I thought it was lower than that, below 0 C!

Guess I still learn stuff each day; good thing too; when ya stop learning, it's time to close the lid!

See ya!

Jim
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#16022
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
SUE!! Sue like the wind!
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#16023
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Jim

I took out my old physical chemistry handbook to look up the whole principle again. It's more than 15 years ago when I had to know how a refridgerator worked thanks to the properties of real gases compared to a hypothetical 'ideal' gas.

The principle behind is, that real gases cool down in a certain temperature range when they expand. You can do this by using energy to produse pressure and the pressurized gas flows through a nozzle where it cools down. You have then the pipework to move the cooled down gas around the inside of the fridge - towards the compressor to pressurize the gas.

Thinking about this you are probably right and the Freon used in your fridge should boil below or around 0 degree centigrate. There are quite a few different types around - and I just picked the 20 degree from the first I checked up.

But this makes even less sense in regard to the acid formed. Because if you have a leak then your Freon is gone, gone, gone - goodbye - I'm warming up the atmosphere. No time to corrode your pipework.

So please just forget the 20 degree mentioned earlier - this was me just mentioning a fact I just googled without thinking and checking. But this makes the bit about the acid even more a joke.

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#16024
Gen Con Bound! 8 Years, 3 Months ago  
Thod - 20 degrees - forgotten.
Acid Freon; neither forgotten NOR forgiven. I'll have a serious talk with mister BGE Home next week, IF I can catch up with him.

Thanks again, friend.

See ya!

Jim
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