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#11575
Looks like the the Forgotten Realms are pretty stupid... 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Was going through the forgotten realms DM screen, looking at the encounter tables.

Boy, are there ever a lot of Drow in the Cold and Temperate Forests, something like 3% of all cold forest encounters and 5% of all temperate forest encounters are with a band of drow.

You have five times the chance of encountering drow than you do a dryad in a forest in faerun.

This is why I need the Mother of All Encounter Tables.
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#11576
Looks like the the Forgotten Realms are pretty stupid... 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
Was going through the forgotten realms DM screen, looking at the encounter tables.

Boy, are there ever a lot of Drow in the Cold and Temperate Forests, something like 3% of all cold forest encounters and 5% of all temperate forest encounters are with a band of drow.

You have five times the chance of encountering drow than you do a dryad in a forest in faerun.

This is why I need the Mother of All Encounter Tables.

damn drow happy designers! speaking of dryads...
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#11577
Looks like the the Forgotten Realms are pretty stupid... 8 Years, 8 Months ago  
I think it makes perfect sense if you consider it from this angle, what creatures are more likely to encounter the PC's as compaired to the PC's encountering them.

I have always kind of considered the random encounter tables as the likely hood that two things out in that environment will bump into each other. You have the constant of the PCs and then everything else out there. What is the likely hood that those two things will bump into each other.

Now take your two examples, drow and dryad.

The Dryad from the SRD is a
Shy, intelligent, and resolute, dryads are as elusive as they are alluring—they avoid physical combat and are rarely seen unless they wish to be. If threatened, or in need of an ally, a dryad uses charm person or suggestion, attempting to gain control of the attacker(s) who could help the most against the rest. Any attack on her tree, however, provokes the dryad into a frenzied defense.
And the drow are
Also known as dark elves, drow are a depraved and evil subterranean offshoot.
White is the most common hair color among drow, but almost any pale shade is possible. Drow tend to be smaller and thinner than other sorts of elves, and their eyes are often a vivid red.
Drow usually coat their arrows with a potent venom.

Those two types of beigns are going to react very differntly to spotting a trail, signs of passage, presence of your typical adventuring party. They are two very differnet types of creatures temperment wise, one hiding which alone should make it not that easy to encounter, the other haveing no mention of being reclusive, shy and hiding.

The Drow being depraved evil and coming from an area with limited resources etc tend to view PC's as walking resources, magic, cash, goods etc. They are a race that sends out raiding parties looking for other creatures to steal from, enslave, loot, or kill sometimes all at once to different party members. So the Drow are looking to encounter other creatures, and are not typically hidding. becuase they are aggressvie Anti social folks that want you and or your stuff, so they are actvily looking to "bump into" other things.

the Dryad is shy and reclusive, elusive they hide from other beings and avoid physical combat, the type of person with out any ability to detect what alignment something else is will look at the potentially evil, and there for out to hurt it, group of typically heavly armed PCs and most likely not want to ever talk to let alone get with in spottign distance of other creatures with out a really good reason to. They are not looking to go "bump into" other things.

Since there is differnece in the attitudes and desires to met other creatures they shouldn't really have the same % of being encountered, one is looking to met other things and the other is looking to hide from them. So why shouldn't there be a greater chance of the encountering a drow than a Dryad?
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#11578
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That's a great point Ska! I never thought about it that way...I wonder if the designers actually took that into account when they designed the encounter tables...does it pan out with all the other creatures?
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#11579
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I don't know if the designers did, but i know i have always designed my own random encounter tables that way.

I always did it with an eye for the "motivations" of the creatures effecting their percentages. things looking for stuff, cocky, over confident, or very common in the area got a point or two more, and things very rare in the are got a point or two off on the % roll.

Sure there is an chance of encountering a nice freindly thing that has no desire to kill and loot you, but there has to be some reason for it wanting to encounter you to bump it up to a higher percentage on my lists.
the old 2nd E had the very rare, catagory to cover things like that, they were out there but you were not likely to encounter them for various reasons.

I would like to think that the Designers had some thing like that in mind, the "ecology/physcology" of the critters, but tend to think it is sadly a bit more simple. I hope it wasn't to appease the combat hungery Player, with the mindset who is more "interesting" (interesting=which will lead to a fight and loot) to encounter; a Drow that you can kill with little remorse or thought, or a "boring talky encounter with a dryad that doesn't lead to me getting to kill it and take it's stuff". it could simply be that they upped combat heavy things just to give people stuff to kill, and down played typical non combat encounters with no other thought than, it gives more random encounters you can "get stuff from".
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Although I agree that weighing the encounter probabilities towards adversarial encounters and away from elusive encounters makes sense and makes for a good game,

I just can't get my head around the fact that temperate and cold forests in Faerun are apparently CRAWLING with the legendary, evil underdark dwelling supposedly rare dark elves. Here's some statistics:

Northern Forest Encounter Table
Drow Squad - 4% of day encounters, 6 % of night encounters - okay, so also the drow don't have any major problem with sunlight
Wood Elf Squad - 4% day, 3% night - Wow, the Drow are really taking over the surface from their hated cousins!
Ogres - 3% day, 2% night
Orc Patrol - 4% day, 3% night - So in the daytime you have an even chance of encountering Orcs or Drow, but at nightime it's twice as likely to encounter Drow?
Wolf - 4% day, 4% night

Temperate Forest
Drow Squad - 3% day, 3% night. I guess the sunlight is dimmer in the northern climes...
Boar - 2% day
Gnoll Hunters - 2% day, 2% night
Goblins - 3% day, 4% night
Large monstrous spider 1% day, 1% night
Ogre 2% day, 2% night
Wolf 3% day, 1% night


It's not joke that lately D&D has been overexposing the drow, I've got far too many DDM drow. But when your encountering more Drow than Gnolls, Goblins, Ogres Orcs or Wolves I have a problem wrapping my head around it.

Are the regular, classic D&D monsters not cool or edgy enought? I would figure it would be pretty damn rare to encounter the drow......on the surface.....in daytime.....

And this is why I use the 1st ed. DMG wilderness enounter tables.
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#11581
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I think what has happened is that Hasbro has taken over the development of the D&D universe to the point that marketing and profit, not realism (insofar as that can exist in a fantasy universe!) rules the game for them. Hasbro wants to sell games and toys, and with the current Iraq situation, and the pro/con sentiment raging around the USA, they figure the more combat they can generate, the more sales they can generate.
After all, it's just a silly game they picked up when they bought out WotC, who picked it up when they bought out TSR. So who cares about the old, worn out, tired middle-aged gamers, who are probably about to drop the game in favor of reading, watching baseball or football, or sleeping, in their spare time? It's more important to capture the 'youth market', where the boys are still excited about killing each other or 'the enemy', and the girls are still into unicorns and/or boys. Never mind the 'fringe market' where sex and death don't sell, an thinking is as exciting as killing (or more so).
This is not to say that I don't enjoy any of the above subjects; I'm just not as ready to consider them the ONLY valid reasons to play a Role-Playing Game. Wel-l-l, okay, sex is still cool, but having been in-country and a cop, the death part is something I can pass on without really missing it all that much.
Plus, Hasbro is trying to compete with GW and other "hack 'n' slash" games.
You get the message, I'm sure.

Or anyway, that's MY take on the situation in the D&D RPG universe.

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#11582
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Got to agree with the Over Exposure of Drow, thought they were kind of interesting in First Edition, Loathed them in 2nd, and utterly HATE them in 3rd.

so many people want to play a Dritz clone, oh i'm a tortued soul, a being from an evil race who is good but the rest of the world won't let me show them how nice i am, and i have this spiffy weapon, and another one, and i have adapted to the daylight (which is a feat in 3rd from the FR, Daylight Adapation so yup drow no longer have to worry about the sunlight). One of the reasons i stoped buying the D&D minis was the freaking number of Drow, On;y bought like 4 packs of Underdark becuase of the drow heavy crap. i think EVERY set has drow, they made a map pack for them.
becuase everybody loves drow becasue of those Salvatori books...

hehehe the drow in my FR game recently had a plague and were almost all killed so no more Drow in the FR :D
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#11583
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For the record, I do like waht they've done with the Drow in Eberron (although I dislike Eberron), and Gygax's old classic epic module series was a good as well.

And I wouldn't consider a Dryad encounter a cakewalk, my impression of them is that they like to charm high CHA males to be their consorts, never to be seen again. Maybe I'm just thinking of the 1st ed version?

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In my campaign, if the PCs are unfortunate enough to encounter dark elves, they are going to be fighting some albino xenophobic freaks! They are subterranean, but they live like animals. They have metal working, and armor and weapon making technology, but aisde from that they are pretty much savages. They do worship a spider god....Yezud from Conan that is.
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#11584
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you guys are gonna be bummed when you meet some dark elves in my game... that's all i'm gonna say.
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#11585
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Yeah I'll be bummed, since with the DDM distribution there'll be 30-40 of them in the mini rack by the time it happens.
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#11586
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they all have a good point here esspecially gs with his view on encounter tables.
i think the drow are victims to the goal to sell a lot of products. they used to be a very rare and extremly cool encounter in a few old adventures now they are daywalkers...and not to be forgotten the ddm are mainly used for skirmish games (at least thats my impression after posting on the wizrds board and asking for some furniture and commoners).
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