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What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 3 Months ago  
I'm brand new to the Dwarven Forge product line, and I was wondering if any of you veterans out there could point me in the right direction. I am a fantasy RPG gamer who uses 25mm miniatures.

Are the Dwarven Forge fantasy set-based products compatible with the 25mm scale miniatures that I currently use? If so, then I would be interested in purchasing some of the Dwarven Forge fantasy set-based products but do not know which to purchase first, second, third, etc.

Please be cognizant of the fact that I do not have unlimited funds (i.e., $), so realistic suggestions--as opposed to stating, "buy them all"--would be greatly appreciated. Also, please keep in mind that each purchase would most likely be staggered over time (instead of all at once), so please post your purchase suggestions accordingly. I hope that you--the Dwarven Forge community--can help me, and I thank you for any guidance that you may have. Good gaming to you all!
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#9243
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 3 Months ago  
Hi there

Welcome! You may have SOME trouble at first with choices, as not everything seems to be available everywhere -- even the DS people themselves are out of stock on some things until around mid-November....

But that said, there are places to get this stuff (eBay, for example) so I'll put a list of what I think is MOST essential, and if you have to work around what you can actually find.... ;)

OK -- you have to ask yourself "Dungeon, or cavern?" There really are two whole systems out there, each is pretty darn cool. If you want dungeon, there's one set of options; if you want cavern, another. If you want a mix, then go with the top item/s on each list.

Dungeon list:

Room and passage set: Crucial. Central set. Particularly useful if you want a lot of passages, but a good core set no matter what.

Fantasy Starter set, Room Set or Deluxe Room set: A great add-on. These are the basic elements. Without these sets, you can't really do anything with most of the others. You need these sets to get going. They are all pretty similar, so go with budget/availability.

Wicked Additions I or II: Go with whatever you likes most, but these are some of the greatest add-ons for flourishes -- spiral stairs, mermaid fountain, demon archway. Great, supercool stuff.

Fantasy Floor set -- Right under WAI and II I'd rate this one - cool lava fountain, well, giant crevasse.... you may even prefer it to the WA sets, but I'd rate them slightly higher....

After that, it's really up to you. These are what I'd consider the most essential items -- if you want traps, you could get one of the traps sets, if you want more flexibility you could go for the Advanced Builder Set... but nothing will work without the basic stuff listed above. The only thing that has passages that I listed is the Room and Passage set, but there are various stand-alone passage sets if you like that kinda thing -- again, you have to go with whatever you think you'll want. R&P gives you enough for SOMETHING, but it won't give you enough for a full labyrinth....

Cavern list:

Cavern set. The basic set. VERY big, very cool, lots of options. Perhaps the most self-contained set DF makes, this one doesn't need ANYTHING else to make it work. Just one of these and you'll feel ready for anything.

Cavernous passages: WOW. Very cool, gorgeous stuff. A fun way to spice up the Cavern setup, but not as essential.

Upcoming -- hopefully in February -- Cavernous river set. This may be one of the coolest sets yet. Right now very little is known about it. But it should ROCK.


With caverns, there isn't NEARLY as much out there, but if you like the design, just 1 of each set is a lot to work with. Or you could get just 2 cavern sets and let yourself build huge, elaborate cave networks.

And then there's the option of 1 Room and Passage, 1 Fantasy Starter, and 1 Cavern set -- with that you can put a few rooms together, some passages, and some caves -- enough variety to keep things interesting, without locking yourself down to just one kind of setup over and over.

Hope that helps. It's really tough to tell people what they "need" for DF, since it depends so much on personal preference. Certainly, though, without a basic room set of SOME kind, you wont' get much mileage out of the various add-on sets....

L
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#9244
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 3 Months ago  
DF are compatible with 25mm and 28mm minis but are a little cramped for say, D&D or Star Wars (prepainted) Minis, which have uniform base sizes slightly larger than most traditional metal minis. I am using the Sci-Fi sets with Star Wars Minis and have had very little trouble... every once in awhile, two minis can't seem to stand side by side in a corridor without either forcing some slight overlap or fudging one figure a bit more forward than the other. While I'd appreciate a wider scale to correct this defiiency in future, it's not enough to bother me or hamper my Star Wars gaming with DF.

L has some excellent advice... I'll be sure to consider it when I start buying the fantasy terrain (now that I have 14 sci-fi sets thanks to the 50% sale.)
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#9245
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 3 Months ago  
As a note, the rooms are the ones that can be a little cramped, the walls come into the section of the floor. the passages are less cramped but yeah they can end up being a bit tight, but there is less need to fudge. And yes they are very compatiable with the current 25-28mm minis take a look at a lot of the pictures in the Cool Photos thread and you can see many Reaper, D&d/WotC minis as well as others in the pictures.
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#9246
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 3 Months ago  
L gave you a great list that expressed some effort; you will not go wrong with the advice he gave.
I would encourage you to pay fixed attention to his later advice to buy like the Room & Passage set along with the Cavern set.
This will provide you with great flexibility when it comes to your terrain options.
The Cavern set even has pieces that will transition you from one terrain type to the other.

I'm brand new to the Dwarven Forge product line, and I was wondering if any of you veterans out there could point me in the right direction. I am a fantasy RPG gamer who uses 25mm miniatures.

I am curious Ladislaus.
Which 25mm fantasy game are you playing?
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SF: Starter(3), Passage(2), Alpha(7), Beta(2) someday soon;
Cavern: Cavern, Cavernous Passages, many individual pieces, Cavernous River & Wall and Cavernous Lake someday soon;
Fantasy: Room & Passages, Room, Octagonal Room, Wicked Additions I&II, Adv. Builder, Diagonal Walls Set, Dungeon Accessories, Medieval Furniture, many individual pieces.
 
#9247
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
L pretty much summed it up, but if you're limited to just one set to start and on the fence about Cavern or Dungeon, I would go with the Cavern set. Here's why:

When you're gaming with one set, you're going to end up shuffling pieces around to make 1-2 areas at a time. Then, when the party moves on, the pieces change configuration and you have another encounter area. (I'm not suggesting that you have to game this way, but in my experience, this is how things tend to go.)

With the dungeon set, this mode of play can get a little repetitive. You leave a 20'x20' room and <shuffle shuffle shuffle> emerge into a 20'x30' room!

With the cavern set, there are enough twists and turns built into the pieces themselves that this becomes less of an issue. Each configuration takes on a life of its own, and the organic nature of the pieces makes every encounter area feel unique.

Cavern is an expensive set, but I think its versatility makes up for the slightly higher pricetag. When your finances allow, add a couple dungeon sets, a few accessories, and before long, you'll be salavating over the possibilities and twitching just like the rest of us addicts!

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#9248
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hi

I would agree with L - the Room and Passage Set is probably the best to start with. Cavern is an alternative - but at least in my adventures more games tend to be in passeges / rooms.

Having said this - here might be a completely different suggestion.

Start with the Den of Evil.

Sounds stupid ?? Hmm - depends.

The DOE will be available soon. You missed the offer price of 99 dollars - but with 109 it is only 20 dollar extra to the Room and passage set. And it is essentially a room and passage set.

Especially if you stagger your purchase you might want this one in 5 years time. And in case you stop - it might have the best resale price - provided the DOE sells out soon.

Just a crazy suggestion. But I think it makes sense if you start now.

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#9249
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
Good suggestion on the DoE set. If you don't get one now, you may regret it in a year. If you don't like it, you can probably swap it for 2 or 3 Dungeon sets in 6 months!

If not, I would definitely go for a Room and Passage Set as your first, followed by a Room Set, and Deluxe or an Octagonal Room as your next.

You can also pick up a few of the items individually, so you might want to get a few more corner pieces (I remember running out of these quickly when I only had a couple of sets).

After that, next on my list would be a Wicked Additions Set (or WA2), or an Advanced Builder Set.

The Cavern sets are great, but you might want to concentrate on Dungeon sets until you know that you definitely want caves.
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#9250
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
Ladislaus,

Firstly, Welcome... We Love to See New Faces around here and the More Happy People there are Buying this Wonderful Product the Better Off DF and the Rest of us are! (This Ensures a Bright and Happy Future for the Terrain we all Love so Much)...

My Compatriots Have Listed Excellent Advice already, so As I am Coming Upon this Post a Little Late I will Not Bore You With Repeating what Has Already Been Said...

Instead I will Ask these Questions (Or rather Encourage You to Ask them of Yourself), What do You want to Use the Dwarven Forge Tiles for?

-Full Dungeon Layouts?
-To Augment Existing Terrain you already Own?
-To use JUST for very Specific Scenes where The Immediate Environment is Essential?
-For a Specific Adventure?
-Do you Intend to Take it with you when you Go to Game away from Home?
-Do you Intend to Design Future Maps around DF? Or Plan to Buy DF to Fit Existing Environments?
-Do you "Eventually" Plan to buy All of the Sets in time? Or are You Thinking that Your Initiall Purchase will pretty Much be it?

There are Likely additional Questions to Ask, But these are Good Places to Start when Determining What You Need to Purchase, and in What Order. To this End, After Asking Yourself these Questions, Spend a little Time Checking Out the Listed Contents of the Available Sets (In the Dwarven Forge Online Storefront)... My Guess is that You Will "Know" What you Need Pretty Quickly.

The Only Further advice I have is that What Ever "Main" Set you Begin with, (Room and Passage, Caverns, DoE) Etc... If You are Limited by Budget, I Would Encourage you to Invest in Two, Three or Even Four of the Core Sets Before Branching Out... The Other Sets are Kewl, but these Core Sets are Far More Likely to Allow for Wide Varieties of Options than Having A Couple of Random Sets to Start with...

Regardless, Once You have Made Your Decision And Had a Chance to Play Around with Your Awesome New Toys, Let us Know What Your Ultimate Decisions were Based on, and How they are Working out... And Of Course come Back and Post Some Pictures... :D
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#9251
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
L really hit the nail on the head and it seems most of the others here agree. Core sets with options later is my advice also.

Take a long look at whether you'll be using caverns or passages first. Having both is nice but your budget will help you determine where to go first.

One thing I did because I had such a small budget is that I would buy a set and then put it in my closet, I never opened it. Then when I had 3 sets I opened them up and, wow, I could use them for most everything I needed. Until, of course, I realized I NEEDED more! :)

Also note that in a few years you will have a large collection...it just works that way. And, you can always point to some of us...ahem...not to name names...as examples such as, "look, I don't have as many asmost of those nuts on the Dwarven Forums!" It will help justifiy the collection...at least in your own head.

Welcome Ladislaus!
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#9252
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hi and yes. welcome. I started about one year ago collecting this stuff so am really kinda new also. I started with a Room and Passage, Deluxe Room set and the Wicked Additions 1&2. Oh yes I also got the Ogres Den. Cause I liked it, not becuase that would be very efficient or anything.
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#9253
What should a newbie get first? Second? Third? Et cetera... 9 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hey Efficient would be a Pad of 1/4th Inch Grid Paper A Few Colored Pencils, and an Electric Eraser... What we are Talking here is Arctic Kewl-ness-Daddy-O...<Snicker>...
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