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#29749
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Hey DF community! I've been looking at the Dwarven Forge sets for a very, very, very long time now and I recently caved in and picked up two Room & Passage sets, along with a Medieval Building Set and the Tavern Accessories Set. I've done nothing more than unpackage them, and my already high expectations for these products were blown out of the water, my only disappointment being the realization that I really can't do a whole lot with what I've purchased. It's no big deal, as I definitely plan to purchase more. On my list are:

2x Treasure and Magic Items Set (When they're in stock)
10x 6" long passage
At least one more Room and Passage Set
At least one more Medieval Building Set
1x Medieval Building Set Expansion

While I definitely want things other than these, these things take priority at the moment. Is there anything I should be considering in this list?

Also I have another question that maybe one of you can answer. I was watching the MBS slideshow and saw some miniature accessories (non-DF beds, bookshelves, etc.) and miniatures (a waitress holding a tray full of food and mead, barkeeper drying a mug with a towel) and I'm very interested in obtaining these things. I'm pretty new to the miniature scene, so excuse my noobishness!
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#29750
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Welcome to the forum.

Look for some of the treasure and magic sets soon to be put up on eBay. I do not have the case for them but have found that having four to five of these sets are not really needed so going to sell a couple of them.

As to the barkeep and waitress I believe that is from the Miniature Building Authority. As to the bookshelves and what not there are numerous companies out there. I think there is a listing in the forums somewhere if you wanted to take a look through it. Maybe some one else has them handy.

At any rate once again thanks for joining in and having the addiction.

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#29751
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Hi Kryptale ...
... and welcome to our fanatical little corner of the internet.
You'll find we're a good-natured bunch of lunatics here. Yes, we're insane, but the happy kind of insane :D

Anyway, to your questions ...
I think you might want to also invest in the following:

Room or Deluxe Room Sets (you'll want more corners, straights and floors)
Wicked Addition Sets 1 & 2 (for cool components and large floors)
Advanced Builder Set (eventually ... no flash but extremely versatile and usefull)

Is there a reason you want 10, 6" long passages? They are great but you may want to split that amount and also get the 6" long walls (to help enclose those large floors from the WA sets).

That's my 2 cents ...


Many of the accessories and figures you see are from Grendel and Armorcast (resin terrain items) and Reaper Miniatures (great townsfolk selection as well as the general fantasy fare).

While you're looking around the forums, take a look under the Cool Photos for threads started by Otherworld. His setups and imagination are amazing !! For example ...
www.dwarvenforge.com/dwarvenforums/viewtopic.php?id=1487
He hasn't been around in far too long so you'll have to go back a ways. Also look for inspiration from the likes of L and, for Sci Fi, Ghengis Ska. And so many others. And take a look under the CONTESTS heading as well. Great ideas and entries there.

Hope that helps !!
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#29752
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Greetings Kryptale,

As TheNorthman and Myrthe have already stated most of what I would, I'll reserve my comments mostly to saying hello.

The only thing that I would add in clarification that is, would be that the Bartender and other "Inn folk" you mention are in fact miniatures from Reaper however, TheNorthman is also correct in that TMBA (The Miniature Building Authority) contracts that set through Reaper and sell them Pre-painted! *Woot*... Or at least did at one time. They also come with the Kegs, and the Bar I believe.

I also agree 100% with Myrthe's recommending cutting the 6" passage pieces down to 5-6 and picking up some 6" walls to make up the difference. In fact I might go so far as to say that the 6" walls (along with a few extra corners) will make all of the difference in your set ups. Especially when combined with the Wicked Additions and or the Fantasy Floors.

So, welcome to the fray, and I look forward to hearing of your DF experiences...

maj!
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#29753
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Welcome..... Yeah I remember those guys. I was so impressed by them I made them part of the Tavern in my 3d Talisman game board. On the box I remember the MBA and there was a Reaper Mini's logo so that is nice that they are produced by Reaper and painted by Miniature Building Authority. There is another serving wench not pictured with a plate of food and another showing her wares...

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#29754
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks a lot for the welcoming, guys! I'm glad you were able to tell me where some of this comes from. Now I just need to find the money to get it! Anyway, I was planning to get so many 6" passages simply because they seem rather essential, and the Room & Passage set came with none of them. Judging by what you guys say, the walls are just as important, so when the time comes I'll pick some of those up as well.

I was looking at MBA's site and it doesn't seem that they have anything outside of miniature houses/structures. Maybe I'm just missing it.

I was looking at some of the suggestions, such as the Wicked Additions Set, and yeah, there's some stuff I would definitely find useful in there. I'm getting ready to go to work, but I'll pop back on here later tonight. Thanks again!
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#29755
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
... I was planning to get so many 6" passages simply because they seem rather essential, and the Room & Passage set came with none of them....
I don't have any 6" passages, but I wish I did. Based on other member's comments, I would recomend that you think about getting the "Advance Builder Set". I think it has several 6" passages and other usefull components. I wish I had one. Just my thought.
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#29756
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Well, I see it's time for me to put my $.02 worth in here...

The problem with ANY passages is that they're only good for MASSIVE dungeons and undergrounds. Unless you plan to have setups where the walls are THICK, heavy fortifications - I'm talking meters-thick stuff here - or deeply-delved dwarven keeps, then passages are a waste of time and money. OTOH, 6" WALLS are EXTREMELY USEFUL! They make BIG ROOMS in castles, fortifications, dungeons, anywhere you can think of. And they fit right in with other structures. I have either 3 or 6 Rooms and Passages sets; bought them when I first got into DF; I use the room parts frequently; seldom if EVER use the passage parts. I've actually CUT UP two of the T-Intersections to make 6" passages that open directly into a room (QUIT SCREAMING, L!) so I could use them more often.
I WILL say that since the Advanced Builder Set 2 is supposedly going to have the Master Maze version of the floor pieces Tony Griffon Studios did for the sci-fi T-intersection, that allows you to fill in the corners of the T with floors, I may actually USE the passages more often now (they also work for corner passages!); I'll have to see how well things work.
FIND the money for ABS 1 and 2, instead of multiple Room and Passage sets. THEN invest in R&P after you see what use you will have for the R&P. Dwarven Forge scenery is GREAT stuff, but unless you use it WISELY, you will buy yourself right out of the hobby and then have problems with significant others, if you know what I mean.

Cover your back.

And, WELCOME to the Nut House!
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#29757
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
I agree -- and I would also add that, from a meta-gaming perspective, passages are similarly a-lot-less-useful. I would only use the passages if I suddenly found myself with a LOT more room to game.

The chief appeal of passages:

1. Create a labyrinthine setup, making it challenging for players to remember how to get back to a certain room, more choices about how to move on.

2. Create a slightly more realistic setup, giving a place a real "lived-in" design.

3. Stage random encounters, traps, and other things to make the basic "progress through the dungeon" something challenging in itself -- while giving the "in-room" encounters and events a heightened significance. Finding a particular chamber is just a lot more eventful and exciting after you've been wandering passages....


The chief appeal of not using passages:

1. Most importantly -- you can still have corridors without them, just by placing walls immediately up against other walls. Sure, it's more narrow than would be "realistic" (see #2 above) and unless you have a TON of wall pieces, it can make it hard to make both passages AND rooms. But it's at least theoretically possible to retain a lot of the advantages of having corridors without actually USING the passage pieces. PLUS, having narrow corridors can be intimidating, if not outright dangerous, for the PC's. They have to break up marching order, they have to fight with a whole new strategy -- and even before combat begins, before a monster is encountered, they have to enter that long corridor knowing they're more vulnerable.....

2. The passages are great for random encounters and traps, sure -- but you can't really put any STUFF in them. All the cool treasure, not to say furniture and other large cool accessories -- they just feel out of place. Passages have to be empty or nearly empty, which makes them a bit more bland than a room, which can have all sorts of cool STUFF in it.

3. Sorta connected to that point -- not only are passages empty, as a result they're mostly the same. Rooms are simply more fun -- you can give each room its own character, its own theme. A library, an armory, a kitchen, a prison, a temple. There are just so many cool things to do with rooms, passages are just less fun. They're all the same.


Again, if I had the space, I'd love to do a HUGE layout, with each distinctive room separated by a corridor, and then maybe in the back a great maze made with just the passage elements. But for now, while space is limited, there is no wall that will not serve to bound TWO rooms, one on either side of it, rather than simply having each room stand alone out in space, hooked onto a corridor. It just leaves too much empty space on the table, and it reduces greatly the amount of things I can do in the space I have.

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#29758
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Good points about rooms vs. passages but I tend to like the passages to break up the rooms.

I think it all falls back on how you draw the maps of your dungeons ... if you used passages in 2D, you'll appreciate them and use them in 3D (space considerations not withstanding). After all, DF was created as a "realistic" tool to take our flat maps into 3D.

I look at passages as an integral part of the exploration of a subterannean dungeon complex. It's classic D&D for me. They can be the "calm before the storm" of a room encouter, like a lull in the music building to a crescendo. It allows you to pace your adventure and exploration like a good story.

Or they can be an encounter, trap or puzzle entirely on their own. It's all in how you use them and what you want to get out of them.

Rolling from one special room right into another, while fine in some adventures, can become too fast and furious and can diminish the sense of exploration ... the "where will this lead?" anticipation. And then you're playing 4e D&D ... but that's a different debate :) Besides, what creature will miss the sounds of battle on the other side of a door? Also, for me, that room-to-room layout is better suited to above-ground structures like inns and such (MBS). The two set-up styles have their place and keep my builds from becoming too similar and, in my opinion, boring.

But that's just me ...

In short, you'll tailor your use of passages, or not, based on your personal preference and experience. But you may want to limit your initial spending on too many passages ... just in case you find you don't use them enough. You've already ordered 2 R&P sets, perhaps, rather than a third, you invest in that Deluxe Room Set and spend a good day or three just communing with your new resiny goodness to see where you want to take your collection.

I've now given you $.04 ... spend it wisely :D
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#29759
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks a lot for the welcoming, guys! I'm glad you were able to tell me where some of this comes from. Now I just need to find the money to get it! Anyway, I was planning to get so many 6" passages simply because they seem rather essential, and the Room & Passage set came with none of them. Judging by what you guys say, the walls are just as important, so when the time comes I'll pick some of those up as well.

I was looking at MBA's site and it doesn't seem that they have anything outside of miniature houses/structures. Maybe I'm just missing it.

I was looking at some of the suggestions, such as the Wicked Additions Set, and yeah, there's some stuff I would definitely find useful in there. I'm getting ready to go to work, but I'll pop back on here later tonight. Thanks again!

Actually they only have stuff for a limited time or until it sells out is more accurate. They might or might not get a resupply of certain stuff. I have tried and tried to get them to answer a question but to no avail. Of course they have not problem taking my money so I know they get my questions. (Castle set up I love it, like above ground DF to an extent.)

But yea they haven't had those figures for awhile. You can find them on Reaper website I think but they will not be painted. I think they are in a Townsfolk pack.

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#29760
Hey, everyone~! 6 Years, 1 Month ago  
Several things:

1 - I must agree with Myrthe - love corridors too and it is essential dungeon crawl stuff for me. (However, 6" walls and the larger floor tiles are mega important as well) I've got lots of 6" passageways to go with my 5 R&P sets.

2 - Here is a link to a site that has the pre-painted MBA barkeep set:

www.warweb.com/25mm-buildings-eurovillage-series-c-73_168_431_1349.html

3 - don't forget the caverns!
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