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#2509
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hi everyone I think I changed my mind. Today while running a session of 7 players. I found that setting up as you go is way too slow. And not plausible. With 4 players I'm sure it can still work (setup as you go) but no way with 7 players.

What do you guys think? Is there an optimum number of players for each method?

Presetup - 4+ players

Setup as you go - 4 tops.
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#2510
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I don't know what the number of players has to do with it...it still takes you the same time to lay out the pieces, right?!? :?
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#2511
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I don't understand either..............Number of players??? It's the same dungeon wheather 1 PC or 100.................... :lol:
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#2512
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I can understand why. Too many hands in the pie so to speak trying to help out. Can lead to disasters. One of my players dropped a piece on the hard floor last night putting up.
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#2513
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Not to Mention Distraction Factor, I Mean as Soon as the Attention is off of Direct Game Play, Every one has a Question Right? I Mean You Stop to Go to the Lavoratory, or Make a Sandwich, Get a Drink, Whatever, Someone is Going to Follow you and ask a Question... So the Longer it takes to Set up a Level, Room whatever, the More time there is for Distraction (I Think they are trying to Confuse us by the way, the rascals), So add to that a Greater Number of Players and one has a Larger number of Potential Directions from which to be Assaulted with Minor Gripes or Pleas for Recant on Dead Hirelings who used to Carry all the Broken Orc Swords into town for the Party... My Preference for a Number of Players is Between 4-6 by the Way... More than 6 Tends to get Silly No Matter how much Set up there is or is not... Less than 4 loses some of the Group Personality...
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#2514
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Why would a player ever be playing with the set up????? You only put a couple of pieces at a time. You really don't need any help...

as i have said, When the time comes to actually set up a complex cave of special room i offten call for a break time. The Players leave for bathroom, smoke, food, breaks. I set up every thing. Players come back, "ow ah wow" That kinda thing..... :D
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#2515
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I generally get the players to help get out the pieces so to not delay the game as much as possible, especially when there are a lot changes to be made: different levels, etc. When I can, I set it up beforehand, but in an 8 hour session it becomes difficult.
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#2516
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Hi All,

I'm still in the phase of collecting the stuff I need for my first dungeon and it will probably take 'til August or September for the stuff I need (money being the major issue here).

Anyway, here's what I intend to do: I got a lot of boxes (shoeboxes, parcels, etc.) into which I will pre-assemble 1 room, floor or section each.

At playtime I will designate 1 player (and maybe 1 assistant) to set up the tiles according to my instructions, while I pick miniatures, debate with other players, or read some needed information about the room.

Since I haven't tried this practically yet, I cannot tell you, whether it works and it might be too unpractical, especially for caverns and really large dungeons.

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#2517
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I never really looked at this board but I'm glad I did since I was going to post the same type of question: "To pre-setup, or to setup on the fly?"

One of my oldest, seasoned players (who co-authors our home rules with me) has been bugging me lately to setup dungeons on the fly (that I already have mapped out--not impromptu scenarios). His complaint is that being seasoned players, our group can look at the setup before hand and know what they're walking into.

Now, to a certain extent he has a point. However, I don't setup traps or room contents till they actually hit a specific area so I don't see a problem with laying out all my DF pieces (minus traps & goodies) beforehand.

A good player--especially a seasoned veteran, should just play in character and not actually "see" that curved section that leads to a room. That's part of my opinion. My other point to my friend was that it *is* time consuming to setup on the fly since I have to reference the dungeon map & manifest, keep them entertained, keep the distraction and noise down, but most importantly, not lose the pace of the game.

Ah... a DM's work is never done. ;-}~

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#2518
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
Frank,

Good Luck and Let us Know how Your Plan Works out... I Have Purchased Enough Extra Pieces, so that I Have a Nice Collection of the 6" Walls, 4"x6", and 6"x6" Floors and 90 degree Corner Pieces so as to be able to have some Basic 8"x10" and 10"x10" Rooms Available as Needed, these I Keep in their Original Boxes but in a Big Tote, Pull them out Before the Game, etc... And Use Dungeon Designs that will More or Less Accomodate these Room Sizes and their various Multiples using as Few 2" Walls or Floor Pieces as Possible... These Rooms Can Be Put together VERY Quickly... Then if there is to be a "Special" Room with Traps or other Exceptional Features I Usually have thos Bits ready to Switch out as Needed...

Dante,

I Suppose there could have been a Third option to this Question, which would have been: Lay outs that Have been Set up Before Hand, and Covered by Construction Paper or Similar... I Have Never Actually Done this, though I Have Seen it Done... My Biggest Issue with Setting up in advance Is as You Point out that Gamers Will "See" and Anticipate up coming Encounter Areas, If it is a "New" Adventure this is a Problem for Sure, although You Can Always Surprise the Little Turkeys by Changing things up a Bit When they Get Some Where Interesting... While previously visited sites are not so much of an Issue to me...
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#2519
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I use magazine backer boards to cover new areas. They are small enough to be flexible, but heavier than construction paper. Seems to work ok.
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#2520
I change my mind, presetup might be the way to go. 10 Years, 2 Months ago  
I've tried the paper cover-up and card-stock cover-up techniques and have found both to be a bit of a PITA. You have to gingerly remove it piece by piece and hope you don't screw up whatever is left laying atop the other DF pieces.

I don't know, I don't see anything wrong with just setting up your dungeon (minus the traps & room contents) and just playing "as you go".

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