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#20669
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Lupus,

You should seriously take a look at the Hirst Arts molds. Contrary to popular belief, they are quite useable with either plaster or resin materials, AS LONG AS YOU ARE CAREFUL how you use them! You can NOT pour resin in a HA mold without using resin mold release spray; you'll destroy the mold within 10 runs, I kid you NOT! BUT, IF you follow Bruce's directions for using the resin Gothic Graveyard mold on ALL the molds, they are quite adaptable to resin.

Of course, any quality brand of plaster will work equally as well; just be prepared for heavy weight, higher fragility, and different texture to the molded products when using plaster materials. They will work quite well, but finishing them is a totally different process from resin. Caveat Emptor also applies to useage, as well as purchase!

Have fun, build your collection any way YOU want to, don't let grumpy old men like me discourage you, and GAME ON!

Happy Holidays to you and yours; see ya next year!

Jim
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#20670
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
jkratzer.....
am looking at the Hirst Arts stuff as well :) I'm fortunate as I have access to a lot of dental stone at work and will probably look at making my stuff out of that :) plus, i have access to additional stuff like a vibrating platform to work out air bubbles from the mold, a vacuum mixer :). Not afraid of the plaster work, and with a bit of work, I"m pretty sure the stuff would be reasonably hardy. i know we don't exactly treat our modles with that much care and they still last. as long as I don't throw one of the pieces at a player who's ticked me off :)

not sure how the stone will work once painted and varnished, but with straight stone models, there is a process called soaping, which invovles impregnating the stone model with a soapy solution, not sure of exact material but it acts to smooth off the material and seems to make it a little hardier. just not sure how it would work with paint and the like. but once i get the process of making various molds i might try the 'soaping'.

my main concern is my ability at painting and assembling. one of the reasons DF was so attractive was their premade/prepainted nature.

but having seen some of the self assembled/built stuff done here, one can't help but give it a try. And, i'm sure given time and perseverence, I will eventually make a passing go at the hobby. or perhaps one might better call it an addiction? :D
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#20671
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lupus,

I'm with you on the painting part! I can build as well as the next guy, especially if I TAKE MY TIME, as my Dad TRIED to drill into my thick skull; but painting can make my good work look like, well, you know; the stuff you flush!

IF you can pre-color the plaster without sacrificing strength, DO SO. It will help.
For painting, start with a VERY DARK Grey, almost Black, and color the entire piece.
Then, with either a wide brush, OR a roller(!), go for a medium grey, something along the lines of Citadel's Castle Grey (I think it's called), or what Testors' Model Master calls Dark Ghost Grey. It's like a 50% grey shade on the MS Windows PC palette. While that's still damp, go behind it with an Armor Tan color, something like U.S. Army desert tan only a shade or two darker. Blend that into the grey ON THE PIECE.
After it's all dry, go back with a drybrush and hit it with Space Wolves Grey, or Light Ghost Grey, or Compass Grey; this will bring out the highlights. Let that dry thoroughly.
Hit the whole thing with a black wash; let that ooze into the nooks and crannies, to fill in the shadows. Let THAT dry all the way.
Last thing is several coats of clear flat,either acrylic OR lacquer;that seals the paint and the plaster. When that's dried, glue on your base felt and go play!

Good luck.

Happy Holidays, and see ya next year!

Jim
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#20672
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
jkratzer
thanks for the heads up re painting :) Will take it under advisement.

the dental stone i'm playing with is already precoloured a yellow colour...not sure why we choose that one....more than likely price. if things work out, i might get the lab to order a brownish coloured stone.......think it might be harder than the stuff we use as well and it will help with the painting :)

have just worked out my wish list of molds to order from Hirst......man, something else to blow money on :) but hey, its holidays for us......well January's pretty dead at work, so hopefully i will have time to pour stuff up at work as well :) save on the casting at home.....way i figure, cast up the stuff at work, by the weekend, i will have close to enough to build within a couple of weeks :)

may actually have a build by the end of the jan...probably feb knowing my skill and ability to get distracted

might i ask what everyone is using to base their custom made stuff? I know the hirst site uses insulation foam...but where i live, it's pretty warm and i dont' think i will get that stuff...........any other suggestions. main thing here is i will need something that will roughly align up to the DF stuff. After all, that is the entire aim of the project. not to branch off on my own, but to complement the stuff I already have :)

also, looking at the DF site, might i enquire with regards to the MBS, how many sets is actually required to make a reasonable attempt at building basic structures like an inn or tavern? i know we have to work to within our budget, but was wondering from all the users out there what a reasonable set number/size would entail?

thanks one and all.

hope you have a happy holiday/festive season and all the best for the new year to come
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#20673
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
lupus,

IF you have an artist's supply store (or arts & crafts shoppe) nearby, check for something called 'foam-core'. It's a styrofoam board with paper on both sides, about 1/4" thick total. It's sold under several different names here in the States, so I have no idea what they'll call it Down Under. Probably something like 'Roo Board or Vegemite Sandwich, or some such goofy name, just to be difficult for us Yanks ot understand! Anyway, that's what I'D suggest for basing HA pieces to mate with DF.

Dunno how many MBS sets yoll need, but I can build a smallish one-story house with ONE set, a nicely-grown one-story mansion with two, and figure it out from there. YMMV, but good luck, it WILL depend onyour floor-plan.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and see ya later!

Jim
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#20674
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Jim,
Thanks for the advice. BTW Vegemite Sandwiches are probably only good for basing models on. Personally, I think the stuff tastes gross!! :)

With regards to the board, I think I know what you are talking about. MY wife does some scrapbooking and cardmaking and she has some of that stuff in her materials box. Might have to go upwards in size, but get the general idea. THanks

With regards to the MBS, looks like from my point of view, probably one or two sets :) Thanks for the heads up.

Cy'a later
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#20675
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
WOOT!!!

Just scored a Narrow Passages set, a Diagonal Walls set, and a Short Passages set off of e-bay!!

(i'm so happy, i just did a little dance :D )
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#20676
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 10 Months ago  
Just scored a Narrow Passages set, a Diagonal Walls set, and a Short Passages set off of e-bay!!

(i'm so happy, i just did a little dance

No doubt...

Congrats, a great find!
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#20677
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
Harneloot,

You stole the narrow passage set right out from under me! Congrats on having the fastest trigger finger. Darn Buy-it-now!
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#20678
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
:D
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#20679
Off the Deep End! 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
Someday Narrow Passages...SOMEDAY!!!
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