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#18477
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
While I was (once-again) admiring how exceptionally good all of the newer sets are in appearance, I decided to finally give all of my MM pieces the same "complete" look about them -by filling in the Bow-tie cavities.

There are a considerable number of pieces involved and would like to take every precaution to use the best type of materials possible.

I have chosen to use putty (as suggested by DF) for a couple of reasons, but I am uncertain of the best type or brand to use for this purpose.

Also if there is a suggested brand/type of paint to use on the putty itself, I'd appreciate it as well.

Thanks again.
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#18478
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
I've been painting my monster's bases lately to match the floor of the cavern set. I'm using Reaper's Master Series paints. After using GW Black Spray Primer, I base coat with Stone Grey, then drybrush with a 3/1 mix of Terran Khaki and Tanned Leather. This seems to reproduce the look of the cavern floor.

You could use Kneadatite putty, but that's a bit pricy for a task this large. Hopefully someone on the forum has a less expensive alternative, since it won't need the detail that you can achieve with green stuff.
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#18479
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Wereweasel--I'd recomend using the "green stuff"--Kneadatite 2-part epoxy putty. You can mix it together, fill in the spaces and not worry too much about shrinkage of the cured putty. It cures really hard so you won't have to worry about it chipping. It paints up nicely so matching the colors won't be a problem.

My advice when working with the green stuff is to make sure you have a little bit of oil on your fingers when you mix and work with the putty. Don't get grossed out here but you can wipe the oil from your forehead and rub it between your fingers to keep the putty from sticking too much to your fingers while you work the two parts together. I learned this from a well-known sculptor's website.

You also want to make sure that you use a light coat of oil on the instrument you're using to sculpt and shape the putty. That keeps it from sticking to the blade/sculpting tool as you push it into the cracks and detail the surface.

Now, painting to match is another story altogether. Somebody here posted an excellent bit on matching the DF look. I'm sorry for not remembering the person's handle but I believe they were from overseas. I do remember that they mentioned using raw umber so you might be able to do a "Search" on forum messages for those keywords to locate the tutorial.

Good luck! I'd love to see the finished work!

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#18480
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Just an idea here; I haven't tried it so I don't know if it would work.

Why not just cut bowties in half and epoxy then in? Use the right amount of epoxy and all you'd have to do is touch up the epoxy after it cures.
OR, epoxy WHOLE bowties in, then cut them with a Dremel with the thin metal blade mounted? Then touch up and go for the next set.

Just an idea; dunno if it'll work, YMMV.

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#18481
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Dante,

I do a fair amount of sculpting in Kneadatite for miniature conversions. An even better source of oil than your forehead is your nose - very oily there. I usually just use water for lubricant, though, so I don't have any residue on the green stuff. I've read of sculptors using a light film of petroleum jelly, but then they have to go over the mini with a cottton swab to clean it up after the green stuff sets.

I've not yet worked with brown stuff, the aluminized epoxy putty from Kneadatite. It's supposed to be harder than green stuff, and better for taking sharp details.

Buying green stuff in two big sticks of yellow and blue is much better than the little ribbons that you get from GW. There are plenty of places that sell it online.

I'm looking forward to trying Pro-Create. I met Sandra Garrity at GenCon, and she talked about it. The original designers of green stuff went solo and made this, and it's supposed to be better for sculpting.
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#18482
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Hi, Kradlo. Yeah, i tried the "nose oil" route too. Sounds disgusting, doesn't it? I read from another forum that you could use water and I tried that but I had better results with natural oil. I might try the petroleum jelly route for the tools and see how that works.

Never heard of Pro-Create (other than biology class). If she's using it, it has to be good!

I don't buy the GW stuff--or any of their terrain crafting products. Too expensive for the same stuff you can get at other hobby stores for half the price.

Good tips. Thanks for sharing. Wereweasel, have you experimented with any of these tips yet?
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#18483
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Why not just cut bowties in half and epoxy then in? Use the right amount of epoxy and all you'd have to do is touch up the epoxy after it cures.
That was what I was thinking of if I should ever try to close the gaps.

Only I won't use epoxy but elmers glue. Should be sticky enough and dries up clear, so no touch up necessary. And you could remove the half bowtie once again if necessary with some warm water.

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#18484
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Wereweasel, have you experimented with any of these tips yet?
Well Dante,

I haven't tried any of these suggestions yet, but will most-likely end up following the path of least resistance that will provide the best results possible.

I am planning to work on this Bow-tie cavity project on the same evenings as my environmental accessory project to ensure a steady pace for both of them.

OR, epoxy WHOLE bowties in, then cut them with a Dremel with the thin metal blade mounted? Then touch up and go for the next set.

Just an idea; dunno if it'll work, YMMV.

Jim,

I have actually done this (using $ store super glue instead) to about 1/5 of my MM so far, and the results are quite good. The reasons I am considering putty is that I was hoping for an easier/less time-consuming option while allowing me the ability to visually remove all outlines of the cavities at the same time.

That being said, I do have a few observations/suggestions for anyone considering Jim's suggestion...

1) Use an adhesive that will not slow your progress down considerably. Remember most pieces will require four pieces to be glued in.

2) If your selected adhesive will not act as a "filler" (as in my case) then order many extra bow-ties. Using only 1/2 of a tie will (in most cases) leave noticable spaces and cracks remaining as they are too small, whereas a cut-to-fit tie (60% approx) can fill in most of the cavities quite well.

Overall, I was quite pleased with the glue-in results as the cavities are gone, but the outlines (in my case) are still visible and it can be quite a time-consuming project -depending on your collection.
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#18485
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
i started closing all my bt gaps (not finished yet) and thought about using the btc to fill it up. you save some putty or whatever you use but you canĀ“t make it look like the rest of the piece - and thats a shame....(and it is very easy with a toothpick and an old toothbrusch-at least for the classic line, caverns are next)

i would love to hear more about the colour. tried to paint a homemade well to look like df but i am not fully satisfied with the colours....
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#18486
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 11 Months ago  
Well, while we are talking about it...

Wouldn't it be possible for DF to cast and sell "60% bowties" (maybe with a groove in the middle) that would fit in the gaps and would have the right colors? So we just would have to glue them in? Maybe add some plastertype glue colored up to the right hue to glue them in, this way filling up the gaps a little?

I think glueing in several hundred bowties is enough stupid work already, I really would love to avoid messing around with putty and color.

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#18487
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
Has anyone had any experience of using Games Workshop (Ner Ner Ner.... Ner Ner Ner Enter Star Destroyer left stage) paints to replicate DF stone. I use their range to paint my minis and would like to have people's opinions as to what would be a good mix to make to paint the bow tie holes when I get round to filling them in.

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#18488
Best type of putty (and paint) to fill in the bow-tie spaces? 7 Years, 9 Months ago  
Dave -

Just a guess here, as I haven't relaly done a lot of repairs yet (just lucky!);

40% Space Wolves Grey, 40% Chaos Black, 20% Bestial Brown; finagle the numbers from there. I "THINK" that will get you in the cricket pitch, you're on your own from there. DO NOT use that color mix on anything critical until you try it somewhere else, because I'm just winging it; I haven't touched Citadel Paints since I dumped all my dried-up, leaky bottles 2 years ago. And since I had two Megapaint sets, plus extras, that was a real sacrifice!
But I just couldn't stomach fighting them into liquidity all the time, and they were a DISASTER for airbrushing - although, when they are in good condition, Citadel colors are FANTASTIC for figures, and actually reasonably priced. But do NOT let them 'age'; use 'em up fast!

Let us know how that mix works, okay?

See ya!

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