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#14509
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I am seriously thinking of starting using Hirst Art molds in conjunction with Dwarvern Forge for dungeon set-ups as well as general RPG fantasy 3D terrain features.

Here is the list of available molds: www.castlemolds.com/molds/molds.html

For users of Hirst Art: what do you think are the basic, most useful molds among these? What are the molds that I must get to get the most out of Hirst Art? Do you have any advice on the progression "first buy this, then that" etc? Are there issues to take care of to allow complete compatibility between Hirst Art and DF? Please tell me.

Thanks a lot!
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#14510
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Fieldstone Wall Mold #70 and Cracked Floor Tiles Mold #203 were used to make a number of the things in this picture.

And it shows some of the issues with using HA to make DF compatalble stuff. HA is wider than DF, the DF pieces are about 1/4 of an inch, the HA wall sections are about half an inch. So a straight up wall piece will make you loose about half of that square.
It is not as bad if you want to go with making some passage style ones, becuase the extra wall width can be shuffled into the outer section and you still get a nice 2x2 inside.


The Thread www.dwarvenforge.com/dwarvenforums/viewtopic.php?pid=14425#p14425 Planning Shots uses some of the HA peices as well our group made.


There are a few issues with HA, but there is one REALLY REALLY Big issue with HA.
It takes TONS of time to make anything with it. While your times may varry depending on how many molds you buy and the casting material you use, but anywhere from 15-30 minutes for a mold or series of molds. and in the end one mold doesn't get you a lot of bricks to make much stuff so you are going to need to pour a bunch of casts and then get them all out, let them dry, glue them and then let that dry, and then paint them. From what i have experinced with the guy using HA in our games takes 2-5 days to pour pour pour and gets a large amount of stuff to work with, then spends a day to 2 glueing, and then a day to two painting.
It won't go fast, not at all.

But once you get the bits, and stick them together it is 3 HA bricks makes a height equal to a DF wall, floors can be done pretty easy. i think a lot of people (we do) base the floor tiles on foam-core board and they equal in height nicely.


I put an an order myself on the Sci-fi to get some extra do-dads for the sci-fi look. Between my own resin castings of the Hive/Living locations and trying to generate the data for a grant renewel that was due yesterday the stuff i cast back in June/May is just all stacked up and haven't done anything with it.

You can get some nice results, but due to the differences in block thickness you will Never get 100% match, and it takes loads of time. Also Bruce Hirst (the guy who does HA) seems to pretty much base all of his designs and dungeons etc on a 3x3 inch set up, where DF is in multiples of 2. many of the walls sections are going to be in 1 inch or 3 inch sizes striaght out of the mold, there are a few 2 inch, (but in the one i mentioned there is just one 2 inch section), this is not that much of a big deal, i mean it's kind of like legos you get the block and stick them together but it can be annoying when the sizes aren't 100% meshing, you want a 2 inch piece and all you have are 1 inch, or 3 inch. sure you can glue two 1 inchs togetehr, but the more you glue the more often you can screw up a nice straight wall into a pile of poo. And it takes longer.

I am running into that with the Sci-fi. I like the look of the pipe wall set he made and got a mold of it, but they are 1.5 inchs in length, that doesn't mesh well with DF if i put two togehter it's 3 inchs, i have to come up with an annoying 1 inch that then doens't match or put four together to get 6 inch lengths, and then i have a huge set up (which isn't a bad thing... but it makes things very rigid for desgin)

Depending on what you make it out of it also can be very fragile or decently strong. But the more sturdy stuff is going to cost you a bit of $. Adding in the time to paint, and build everything in the long run (at least for me out of our group) HA is an add on bonus to DF, and isn't going to replace it by any means. The time factor being the biggest cost to me.
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#14511
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I've bought some HA Sci-Fi stuff for expanding my DF, but I haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet.
Materials WILL be a high-cost item if you want anything NEAR the durability of DF. Time will also be a big investment - but IF you have the time, IF you have the money, and IF you want to be able to stand back and say "I built that!" then it will be worth it.
Otherwise, it's just gonna be work!

But I'M going to give it a try before giving up on it.

See ya!

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#14512
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Ska pretty much summed it up. I have 5 molds, which I bought with the idea of using to make pieces to fit with DF. However, I've ended up building freestanding structures instead of dungeon pieces. I'll get to the dungeon pieces eventually, but the buildings have been a good way to work on my construction skills (and it takes more skill than you might think, making sure that the blocks are molded correctly and that the walls are plumb and square.)

With that in mind, I'd recommend your first mold be something basic, like the prison tower or the wizard's tower. That way, you get a mold with a project built in, and blocks that work with DF, but create a dungeon with a completely different look. If you're not interested in making buildings at all, then the gothic dungeon molds are the way to go.
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#14513
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks a lot for your advice so far, guys. That's very useful stuff to know! :D

So, for instance:
I try my hand with the Wizard's Tower (#50).
Then, if it works out for me, I get molds #70 and #203.
Then, I expand with the gothic molds, particularly #41 and #45, then others.
After, if I'm still full of cash and want to get more out of HA, I get some other stuff.

Sounds good?

Also, what kind of casting material do you guys use?
If I wanted to cast my stuff with resin, where could I find it online and get it shipped to Canada?
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#14514
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'd just prefer to use something like this and make my pieces...

www.solidimension.com/products.htm
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#14515
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'd just prefer to use something like this and make my pieces...

www.solidimension.com/products.htm

What's that run? About 20 bucks? :)
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Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks a lot for your advice so far, guys. That's very useful stuff to know! :D

So, for instance:
I try my hand with the Wizard's Tower (#50).
Then, if it works out for me, I get molds #70 and #203.
Then, I expand with the gothic molds, particularly #41 and #45, then others.
After, if I'm still full of cash and want to get more out of HA, I get some other stuff.

Sounds good?

Also, what kind of casting material do you guys use?
If I wanted to cast my stuff with resin, where could I find it online and get it shipped to Canada?

Sounds like a good plan to me. Just realize that once you start, it's hard to stop. I'm getting 7 or 8 more molds at GenCon, and only stopping there because of budget considerations. "Just one more mold...that's all I need..."

I cast in Merlin's Magic, which is solid and heavy, but expensive Plaster of paris works well, but it's brittle. Definitely try the Plaster of Paris to start. You don't need to send away for it, and it's cheap. Get a big tub of it at Home Depot and use it for test castings and your first project or two. Then move up to the expensive stuff.
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#14517
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I am using Hydrostone, cheaper than Merlin's Magic or the other dental plaster stuff but Way more solid than the Plaster of Paris, It is in effect a mixture of plaster of paris and Cement. I spent about $12 and got 25lbs of it, (split it with some one total a little over $25 for 50lbs) and we still have TONS left after doing all of that stuff in the planing thread, and a number of other sci-fi things floating around.

But i did use a bunch from a tub of Plaster o Paris to test and get the hang of doing the first ones, most of it was trashed but it was a decent tes (had the PoP left over from another project).

Time and casting will be your biggest challange, i think one of the molds to make some of the stuff on the HA page takes over 100 pours/cast to make it. I average on a work day 5-6 ( 1-2 before i go to work, and up to 6 when i get home and before i got to bed) so if you are like me and get an average of 5 casts a day, it would take a over 20 days of just cating to get enough bricks to make one of the projects.

Now i tend not to pour a whole mold and just go for bits i want out of one.
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#14518
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'd just prefer to use something like this and make my pieces...

www.solidimension.com/products.htm

I wonder what the price tag is for one of those.
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#14519
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 1 Month ago  
I'd just prefer to use something like this and make my pieces...

www.solidimension.com/products.htm

I wonder what the price tag is for one of those.

CRI -

How Many First-Born Sons do you have?

Yep, that should just about cover it!

I went out to the solidimension web page, then to one of the dealers for the US; NO ONE quotes prices, which is the first part of scary!
However, if you can afford one of those, MAN! the models you could design and build! I don't know if it takes Autocad-type drawings and converts them, or if you have to draw in their proprietary software, or WHAT - but for architectural stuff, it would be great for "one-offs".

But I can guarantee it costs more than I'M going to pay, even when the IRS coughs up next April.

Of course, if that damn Lotto ticket would just work right . . .

See ya!

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#14520
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I found a price... 15,000 pounds.
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