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#14521
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Or $28,225.50 in US dollars...

Hmm...
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#14522
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Or $28,225.50 in US dollars...

Hmm...

OUCH!!!!!

But then again, for what it does...
"Hmmm" indeed!

Now I wonder if Sandy would sign a 3rd mortgage on the house?
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Naaaaahhhh. Darn it!

See ya!

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#14523
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
To get back on track with HA for a while...

I'm using a couple of the floortile and wall block molds, including the fieldstone mold. I'm basing my pieces on 4 mm plywood, mostly building 4x4 sections - I had some images on the forum ages ago, I'll see if I can find them for a repost or take some new ones. The 4x4 setup is inspired by the cavern set, and consists of anything from simple flat floors to floors with a number of different wall configurations. It adds flexibility and size without hurting the wallet. If I have to make a choice between another set of pure dungeon pieces or a cavern, lake or river set, I will choose the stuff I can't make myself - like more cavern sections and the beautiful water pieces! It works for me.
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#14524
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
Hey Willypold long time no hear. I was browsing deep in the bowels of the forum and saw those 4x4" dungeons and wondered how they were coming. If I find it again I'll post on it to bring it back forward in the photos section..... On the 3D sculptor mega Price thing I remember reading on the site that it can use Auto CAD so it is not some esoteric proprietary software that you have to get a company employee to run. Mute point at that price though....
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#14525
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
I have been so busy with way too many projects lately, and most of them work related... Tomorrow is Sweden's national holiday, and I'm NOT getting near anything that will look like work then. Taking some pictures of dungeon pieces is not work, though... :-)
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#14526
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 5 Months ago  
GS picture show the issues with lining up HA with DF re wall thickness and shows that HA pieces need to be sat perpendicular to DF pieces for a smooth transition. Despite this with HA you can make some excellent custom sections that simply are not available with DF or build room accessories - pillars, balconies etc etc that again are not necessarilly available in DF (Though IO does superb proxies).

The wizards tower is a good starting mould except it does not have any floor tiles - a serious deficiency if you plan to make dungeon sections. I find the gothic/chipped stone floors look good with DF but most basic starter moulds don't have enough of these pieces - you need lots of floor pieces when building a dungeon.

The time is an issue though it is a seriously addictive past time. The time cost can be defrayed by owning casting lost of moulds simultaneously - my standard proceedure is 8-10 moulds depending on depth and size in each casting session. This method means you need lots or sorting and storage space for all the extra bits you cast but may no use for while.

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#14527
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
Fieldstone Wall Mold #70 and Cracked Floor Tiles Mold #203 were used to make a number of the things in this picture.
And it shows some of the issues with using HA to make DF compatalble stuff. HA is wider than DF, the DF pieces are about 1/4 of an inch, the HA wall sections are about half an inch. So a straight up wall piece will make you loose about half of that square.

Got my first lot of Hirst Arts molds last week including a #70 and #203. Not cast enough yet to build anything but have cast enough to strart trying different options.

From Genghis's description I was thinking a HA wall may equal a double DF wall. This is not the case so my intial design ideas went out the window. A HA wall is thicker than a DF one, but is closer to a single DF wall than a double DF wall. Think I need to try a few things before I work out what works.
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#14528
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
All

I have to agree with Ghengis Ska - Mold #70 and #203 are probably the best to start. I've also build the Wizards Tower as a start - but haven't painted it yet. Here are my general comments:

Plaster - I used CrystalCal. It took me ages to fiend a good supplier. Too late I noticed there are good recommendations on the Hirst Arts Mold pages for multiple recommendations. In regard to price you have to add postage. I didn't bother to pay 3 pounds more for 5 Kg as 8.75 pounds was the delivery for up to 25 Kg (I took 10 for a start). This lastet for the Wizard Tower, the Dragon Inn, the 4 inch Fieldstone Tower * 1 1/2 (It is an extended version with some stairs going below) and a few minor bits and stones left.

Time - I love the few pieces I did - but I haven't completely finished anything yet apart of a small Mordheim building as a present. The remaining pieces all still need the finishing touches.

Savings - not really. Only if you do a lot you save. I could have ordered 25 Kg plaster to start with - and don't underestimate cost for paint. Using your paint for minatures will quickly empty them. I recommend to get some colour mixed as used for paining walls. Again - savings only work if you do enough. I now have 2l of paint ... This will last a while

What would I add ?? I really love the mold #220. It's useful for floors but also for minor bits and pieces. Especially with the River set out (and I'm still waiting for my two sets to arrive in the UK) it's easy to build some structures like a quay. The gallow will give you the general idea. Shouldn't be a problem to change it and to build it more elongated instead and leave the gallow off.

Hmm - where is the option to add pictures gone ?? Might post a few later once I figured this out.

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#14529
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 8 Years, 4 Months ago  
I can't believe I missed this thread for so long! Anyhoo, I've done a decent amount of HA/DF mixing around. I made some columns and arches for my DF setups, and a big fountain of blood, and some catacombs, and a fresco. I'm happy with them.

I do think the fieldstone molds are ESSENTIAL for anyone seriously planning this -- they blend SO much better with the DF pieces. I also think matching color is the most important part -- you can make almost anyhting look like it belongs so long as the color matches. And if the color DOESN'T match, even a completely exact duplicate will look out of place.

There is a lot to be said for using HA to make an endless supply of additional elements for DF, and I'm a big fan of it. But the comments about savings are right on -- you gotta make a TON before you start to see savings. Cost of plaster, cost of molds, cost of paint -- not to mention time and effort -- it really adds up.

At the same time, it can, over time, make sense. I've now gotten enough HA structures to feel I got a bargain. I made a whole table's worth of ruined Osgiliath terrain, I made several towers and several shrines, I made some piratical Mordheim terrain, and of course I made a lot of DF add-ons. I sold a few things on eBay, as well. Best of all, I sold the local GW store some terrain -- got free GW merch. for about six months, and all it cost me was the plaster I used. (the paint I already had, and the molds I would have bought anyway, so I don't count those -- but the plaster I gave away probably cost me about $25 total, and I took home about $2500 worth of GW merch., including a complete Bretonnian army, complete Lizardman army, and a lot of terrain and random minis)

It took so much time, I'd never do it again, though. I wouldn't have the time. It was a lot of time and effort, but at that time I was really excited and happy to do it, so I didn't mind. It was weeks of doing nohting but casting, building and painting, though.

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#14530
Hirst Art/Castlemolds and DF 6 Years, 6 Months ago  
Hi,

I've followed this thread and noted that the biggest concern is the amount of time it takes to cast and the cost of the molds. One solution to this is to have someone else buy the molds and cast the pieces for you. Bruce has quite a few people listed on his links page that do just this as well as other things.

www.castlemolds.com/links/links.html

Just my $0.02 worth,

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